San Francisco or San Jose? (Los Angeles, Sacramento: appointed, apartments, credit)

[krudmonk]

Well that's an extreme way of putting it...

[vdy1985]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Well that's an extreme way of putting it...

lol.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by SanJose_121

San Jose :

-More Diverse
-Higher Population
-More Jobs
-Extremely Low Crime
-SoCal-esque weather
-Palm Trees
-Better schools
-Better driving roads
-No "bums"
-Economic dominance over any city north of los angeles, west of chicago


San Francisco:

-Extreme homeless
-White/Chinese(Not very diverse)
-Foggy/Cold
-Small city
-Very dirty streets
-Way more murders/crime than SJ

San Francisco:
-Excellent food (Italian, French, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican....you name it, its here)
-Beautiful hills with scenic views
-Best public transportation in CA
-More interesting neighborhoods
-Main draw for tourism in Northern CA
-Diverse microclimates
-Better nightlife
-More to do
-Interesting neighborhood festivals pretty much every week
-A global destination recognizable worldwide
-Urban density
-The center of activity for the entire Bay Area
-Beautiful skyline
-Actually has a Financial District with skyscrapers
-Diverse Latino population
-Larger Asian population
-Largest and oldest Chinatown in the US
-Better & more interesting Japantown
-Westfield SF Centre
-Union Square
-Fisherman's Wharf
-Centrally located with better proximity to Oakland and the rest of the Bay Area
-Golden Gate Park
-North Beach
-Better schools
-Better weather (IMO and a lot of other peoples'. Not everyone likes that much heat, and it actually gets a few degrees colder in SJ when the temp drops)
-Beautiful Baker Beach
-Seacliff nieghborhood
-The beauty of the Golden Gate Bridge
-Fog
-Twin Peaks - possibly the most amazing view in the Bay Area (Oakland Hills by the Mormon Temple has a really cool one too tho)
-A much more interesting history

San Jose:
-A glorified mega-suburb
-White/Latino(Not very diverse)
-Excessive sprawl
-Hodgepodge of strip malls and boring neighborhoods
-No skyline to speak of
-Tiny uninteresting downtown (not much of one really; I find San Mateo's and Palo Alto's to offer more than SJ's)
-Crappy food (best food comes from chains that are found everywhere, besides Amato's which is pretty darn good )
-Brown, desolate hills East of 101
-Weird yellow street lights that give a strange hazy effect when viewed from higher ground
-Not pretty at all to fly over
-Stagnant air when weather is hot due to valley location
-Strange false sense of self-worth exhibited by many residents, expecting to be viewed as "great" simply b/c its large and has a large population
-Insecure about being in SF's shadow, and wants so badly to have its own "Big City" image, yet outsiders still only know it to be part of SF
-Reliant upon its job market and weather as its top criteria for what makes it interesting (at least when most people try to answer that)
-Palm trees are everywhere in CA (even in SF), so SJ's are nothing unique
-Terrible traffic
-Boring, pretentious Santana Row
-Disconnected from the Bay and for fun most people either drive 30 miles or so to Santa Cruz or 50 miles north to SF
-SJ's "suburbs" just blend into it and don't appear different in the slightest
-These "suburbs" have more to offer than the city itself (Santa Clara's Koreatown, Great Mall in Milpitas, Los Gatos and Saratoga are nicer overall, etc.)
-Overall just not really what a big city should be or offer, but okay for a gigantic collection of sleepy suburbs
-SJSU does have a very pretty campus
-Good proximity to outlet shopping in Gilroy
-Terrible public transportation
-Good freeway coverage of the area for the most part
-HP Pavillion is nice

[krudmonk]

For someone from the peninsula, you sure get butthurt regarding San Francisco. When do you become jman415?

Originally Posted by jman650

-A glorified mega-suburb

What does this even mean? Most American cities are built as this one. Many are even less dense. Proximity to a famous city is the only criteria for calling it a suburb. It's also a means for claiming the rich technological pedigree for San Francisco, even though it's 40 miles away.

Originally Posted by jman650

-White/Latino(Not very diverse)

Uh, what?Now you're just bull****ting. We have 90K Vietnamese in city limits alone.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Excessive sprawl

So this detracts from the quality of non-sprawled neighborhoods?

Originally Posted by jman650

-Hodgepodge of strip malls and boring neighborhoods

See last point.

Originally Posted by jman650

-No skyline to speak of

I can find downtown when I look over the valley. That's enough for now.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Tiny uninteresting downtown (not much of one really; I find San Mateo's and Palo Alto's to offer more than SJ's)

Are you measuring where the bigger buildings are? "Downtown" traditionally comprises the center of the city. That extends for a ways in all directions. And those other two are just little quaint areas for suburban yuppies and empty nesters.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Crappy food (best food comes from chains that are found everywhere, besides Amato's which is pretty darn good )

I'm vegan so my options are limited anyway, but why is food so valued by the same people that reject fat, lazy American standards?

Originally Posted by jman650

-Brown, desolate hills East of 101

Those hills are green half the year. They change with the seasons. Imagine that: multiple seasons.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Weird yellow street lights that give a strange hazy effect when viewed from higher ground

Those are to allow better viewing from Lick Observatory, a major research facility in the UC system.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Not pretty at all to fly over

How often does one fly over a city?

Originally Posted by jman650

-Stagnant air when weather is hot due to valley location

As opposed to chilling winds? To each their own.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Strange false sense of self-worth exhibited by many residents, expecting to be viewed as "great" simply b/c its large and has a large population

That's not everyone but it is annoying.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Insecure about being in SF's shadow, and wants so badly to have its own "Big City" image, yet outsiders still only know it to be part of SF

Oakland and Sacramento are in the same boat. So what?

Originally Posted by jman650

-Reliant upon its job market and weather as its top criteria for what makes it interesting (at least when most people try to answer that)

As opposed to landmarks? Come on, what matters more in the longrun: pleasant weather and a good job or proximity to photo ops?

Originally Posted by jman650

-Palm trees are everywhere in CA (even in SF), so SJ's are nothing unique

They're every where here. In SF, they appear in medians and promenades.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Terrible traffic

That's pretty much everywhere. I can get across the valley in under a half hour, so it can't be too bad.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Boring, pretentious Santana Row

Most people here don't even like Santana Row, and yet it manages to bring people in for shopping, bars, restaurants and all that. Again, to each their own. It provides an alternative to those who don't like the downtown scene as much.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Disconnected from the Bay and for fun most people either drive 30 miles or so to Santa Cruz or 50 miles north to SF

I've found this to be prissy white folks who are turned off by the "ghettoness" of downtown and surrounding areas but also too hip for Santana Row. SF and SC are havens for the young and caucasian.

Originally Posted by jman650

-SJ's "suburbs" just blend into it and don't appear different in the slightest

Uh, compare Milpitas to Campbell and then get back to me.

Originally Posted by jman650

-These "suburbs" have more to offer than the city itself (Santa Clara's Koreatown, Great Mall in Milpitas, Los Gatos and Saratoga are nicer overall, etc.)

Ha, you're really just spiteful now. The Koreatown is on a big, broad road that contributes to the suburban image you claim to despise. So does the Great Mall, which is actually more dull than Eastridge, Oakridge or Valley Fair. Los Gatos and Saratoga are nice-looking as Willow Glen and Rose Garden, but for those wanting more removal from society (read: car-dependent).

Originally Posted by jman650

-Overall just not really what a big city should be or offer, but okay for a gigantic collection of sleepy suburbs

It has quite a few things but little fanfare. Most people here don't even realize what's available to them. Image dominates, but at least there are always tons of people working to improve that.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Good proximity to outlet shopping in Gilroy

So now you like sprawl and tackiness?

Originally Posted by jman650

-Terrible public transportation

Admittedly, but that's pretty much railwise. The bus system is fairly solid and much used, at least on the eastside and downtown.

Originally Posted by jman650

-Good freeway coverage of the area for the most part

Doesn't this go against your railing on traffic and bad public transit?

[jman650]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

For someone from the peninsula, you sure get butthurt regarding San Francisco. When do you become jman415?

Wow dude, you're still that touchy? Lol. I saw a troll's list of aspects of both cities and proceeded to list my own version. How is stating my opinion "getting butthurt?" Why do you seem to always need me to explain myself for whatever it is I say on here? It is a forum for sharing of opinions, no? Seek help for your insecurities; you're exhibiting the exact kind I referred to in my post right here.

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by jman650

Wow dude, you're still that touchy? Lol. I saw a troll's list of aspects of both cities and proceeded to list my own version. How is stating my opinion "getting butthurt?" Why do you seem to always need me to explain myself for whatever it is I say on here? It is a forum for sharing of opinions, no? Seek help for your insecurities; you're exhibiting the exact kind I referred to in my post right here.

It was a trollish post, but all you did was troll back.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

It was a trollish post, but all you did was troll back.

No I didn't. I responded, but it was actually my opinion in comparing the two. Did it differ from anything I've ever said before? And how is it trolling back when I did include a few positives?

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by jman650

No I didn't. I responded, but it was actually my opinion in comparing the two. Did it differ from anything I've ever said before? And how is it trolling back when I did include a few positives?

Okay, fair enough on the positives, but you did contradict yourself a bit in criticizing SJ for certain points and then praising similar qualities elsewhere.

Oh, and I just saw that SanJose_121 guy trolled the SF forum, so this is rooted in matters beyond this thread.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Okay, fair enough on the positives, but you did contradict yourself a bit in criticizing SJ for certain points and then praising similar qualities elsewhere.

Oh, and I just saw that SanJose_121 guy trolled the SF forum, so this is rooted in matters beyond this thread.

Yeah actually that's how I just found myself back here. I saw his post in the other thread and then when I smelled troll I looked to see his other posts and found this one.

Just curious though, which qualities were you referring to that I did that on? Not saying I didn't, I'm just not aware that I did.

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by jman650

Yeah actually that's how I just found myself back here. I saw his post in the other thread and then when I smelled troll I looked to see his other posts and found this one.

Just curious though, which qualities were you referring to that I did that on? Not saying I didn't, I'm just not aware that I did.

You complained that SJ had too much suburbia, but then praised the Great Mall and the Gilroy outlets. You said traffic and public transit were bad and then said that the freeway coverage was a good thing. You specifically mentioned Saratoga and Santa Clara's Koreatown but then said all the suburbs ran together and were too much of the same. These struck me as conflicting.