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Old 11-20-2008, 09:38 AM
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This is why when I go camping around here I am armed to the teeth. Not because of the animals, because of the roving thugs.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/SantaFeNorthernNM/Big-Tesuque-Campground-Armed-men-rob--assault-camper
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:42 AM
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This is why when I go camping around here I am armed to the teeth. Not because of the animals, because of the roving thugs.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/SantaFeNorthernNM/Big-Tesuque-Campground-Armed-men-rob--assault-camper

Really sad to hear such things. Places where one can be pretty vulnerable.
And because I don't know the Laws there {not being there yet}; what sort of action if you have a weapon, can you {legally} take? Just wondered.

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Old 11-20-2008, 10:54 AM
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Really sad to hear such things. Places where one can be pretty vulnerable.
And because I don't know the Laws there {not being there yet}; what sort of action if you have a weapon, can you {legally} take? Just wondered.

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Tia:

In NM, you can use deadly force to defend yourself if you are in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm, and the apparent danger would have caused a reasonable person in the same circumstances to act in the manner you did.

For example, if I am camping, and some rogues show up to my camp site brandishing weapons, and I have a reasonable belief that I am going to suffer great bodily harm or death, I am allowed to defend myself against them with deadly force. Personally I usually go back into the wilderness anyway, so this is mostly a non-issue for me. It is sad as you say though that people cannot feel safe in a campground anymore. Our society has become very brutal, and if you want to avoid becoming a victim, you better remain alert and be ready to defend yourself.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:58 AM
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I was heartbroken to hear this story. They also mentioned on the evening news that a couple of hikers were robbed up in Hyde park about a month ago in separate incidents. I have nothing but amazing memories of Hyde park growing up: School hiking field trips, primos picnics, family reunions. To think of someone taking advantage of someone trying to enjoy this beautiful state. It makes you want to do bad things to the perpetrators.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:09 AM
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As for the weapons for defense, just be aware that you're not supposed to be packing in a National Park. That said, I'll say that if I followed that law there would have been a night in Abiquiu that I guarantee wouldn't have ended in my favor. It's one of those laws that is meant to keep firearms completely out of an area, but only effectively restricts those that wouldn't prey on people anyway. I'd rather be around to live with a jury's decision than leave my family's fate in the hands of drunk punks.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:30 AM
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As for the weapons for defense, just be aware that you're not supposed to be packing in a National Park. That said, I'll say that if I followed that law there would have been a night in Abiquiu that I guarantee wouldn't have ended in my favor. It's one of those laws that is meant to keep firearms completely out of an area, but only effectively restricts those that wouldn't prey on people anyway. I'd rather be around to live with a jury's decision than leave my family's fate in the hands of drunk punks.
I don't camp at National Parking Lots anyway. They are always full of noise and people. I will visit them during the day, and head to BLM land or National Forest to camp everytime. I agree with you Zia that I would rather be alive and unharmed facing a jury than suffer at the hands of punks.

This is how punks should be treated:


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Old 11-20-2008, 08:52 PM
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Ah, Charles Bronson. The thinking man's vigilante. Nice to see the clip with the Spanish subtitles.

So the carry law doesn't affect National forest? Good to know. Thanks for the heads up... and the trip down vigilante lane
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:01 PM
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And people think Espanola is dangerous..uhh ok..
This isnt the first time this happens to camp sites in Santa Fe, that city is going to hell.
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So the carry law doesn't affect National forest? Good to know. Thanks for the heads up...
Yes, then my husband gets to be the mediator between two armed, disagreeing campers. Oh, I was sooo happy to hear about that. And I thought the six drunk, chainsaw-wheeling young men in the New Hampshire wilderness was bad. ...well, that was...don't know which is worse.... I thank God daily that my husband has a disarming personality and a very good sense of protecting his own hide!
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Old 11-21-2008, 08:42 AM
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Wow, I've been to that campground before, and would NEVER suspect this type of activity. But then again, I never expected criminals to attempt to break and enter into my house, my car etc. That area, when I was there, was pretty populated with hikers. I can't imagine how these scumbags got away with it.

After living mostly 3 blissful years here, I am beginning to realize there is a dark underbelly here.
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