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Old 08-22-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Thanks for recognizing that everyone! I am a third generation product of my livelihood being provided by tourism. My parents and grandparents relied on tourism to pay the bills. My kid and stepkids are fourth generation.

It blows my mind that tourists move here then complain about; tourists.
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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THe initial post was a question - asking if those who live in Sarasota think the current infrastructure & facilities can handle the influx of all the new hotel rooms & the new COndos as well.

It will be great if in fact it does bring more business to Sarasota. But, do you really think organizations will plan conventions in the summer in Sarasota? Some will, but enough to keep a decent occupancy rate?

And again - how will the close-by restaurants handle the huge influx on tourists concentrated in that area? As of now, there is no room to expand, and places like Selva, Louie's are pretty much at capacity already. There IS the empty space again where Patrick's used to be - that can help with the influx. Also, the foremr Ceviche location is now empty. Where else could new restaurants be built downtown? Up along Fruitville maybe? THat would be fabulous - expanding the downtown core just a couple of blocks to or even north of fruitville would be very helpful.

But my concern is that the new hotels may be Too Concentrated - all within a few blocks. If they were spread out more, I think the current infrastructure could handle it better. And we know what it takes for the city to provide more/bigger roads, sewage treatment facilities, security, parking, etc.

QUEStiON: I wasn't around when the latest round of Condos was built downtown (1350 Main, 50 Central, etc.). how were these type of issues addressed then?
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Lakewood Ranch, FL
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QUEStiON: I wasn't around when the latest round of Condos was built downtown (1350 Main, 50 Central, etc.). how were these type of issues addressed then?
Not to be a complete smart a** but they were built and we are still here.

Small towns that have something worthwhile going for them inevitably grow. Some people will decry the growth, others will welcome it. People like me will drive around and say brilliant things like "Wow...I remember when that was just a ...."

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the way "they" built The Quay and then tore it down again in what (to me) felt like an extraordinarily short period of time. For those who don't know, The Quay was a pretty substantial retail/office/commercial development located at the bottom of Fruitville Rd. Now it is a vacant greenspace.

The bottom line is they will build them and they will be successful or not. If they do well, other places will do well along with them and, if not, someone will eventually buy them and do something else with them. Such is life.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I could never understand all that empty space at the Quay. A perfect place to build hotels, restaurants, etc. It looks like it is finally going to be built up again with one of the hotel developments. But that's an example of why I am concerned about 5 hotels being built in a small area - the city has not always been known for doing the right thing vis-a-vis city services.

I, personally, love a City environment - love NYC, Philly, Boston, D.C., and I love downtown sarasota. I live in the 'burbs half the year, and I just don't feel comfortable in that environment. But I want a well planned & functioning City.
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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And again - how will the close-by restaurants handle the huge influx on tourists concentrated in that area? As of now, there is no room to expand, and places like Selva, Louie's are pretty much at capacity already. There IS the empty space again where Patrick's used to be - that can help with the influx. Also, the foremr Ceviche location is now empty. Where else could new restaurants be built downtown? Up along Fruitville maybe? THat would be fabulous - expanding the downtown core just a couple of blocks to or even north of fruitville would be very helpful.
I can promise you this; you ask any one of those restaurants and not a single one would tell you that they do not want more business. The existing restaurants will do everything they can to cash in on the influx of business and many new restaurants will open.

No restaurant on the planet is at capacity. None.

What is happening is you can't get in your favorite restaurant on a Friday or Saturday night in season. Try Wednesday.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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We do not go to restaurants on Fri or Sat. Troubles getting in on Wed or Th. Even Monday's are a problem in season now.
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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I could never understand all that empty space at the Quay. A perfect place to build hotels, restaurants, etc. It looks like it is finally going to be built up again with one of the hotel developments. But that's an example of why I am concerned about 5 hotels being built in a small area - the city has not always been known for doing the right thing vis-a-vis city services.

I, personally, love a City environment - love NYC, Philly, Boston, D.C., and I love downtown sarasota. I live in the 'burbs half the year, and I just don't feel comfortable in that environment. But I want a well planned & functioning City.
In San Deigo, there were at least 5 hotels built in a waterfront area. Of course it was to provide rooms for a newly built convention center. It turned out smashingly well. Caused a somewhat seedy area of downtown to be filled with new restaurants, bars, and shops. Pushed out the porn theaters because other businesses were so much more profitable. Made it like New Orleans. After the hotels and restuarants were successful and it became such a desirable destination for locals, high rise condos came in pushing out more seedy areas. Cruise ships made San Diego a destination because there was so much for cruise passengers to do. Then a new baseball park was built there. All this development created lots of new jobs and improved the cities revenue base.

Have no knowledge of the planning here, but it sure turned out well in San Diego. But the convention center was the key to success there.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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In San Deigo, there were at least 5 hotels built in a waterfront area. Of course it was to provide rooms for a newly built convention center. It turned out smashingly well. Caused a somewhat seedy area of downtown to be filled with new restaurants, bars, and shops. Pushed out the porn theaters because other businesses were so much more profitable. Made it like New Orleans. After the hotels and restuarants were successful and it became such a desirable destination for locals, high rise condos came in pushing out more seedy areas. Cruise ships made San Diego a destination because there was so much for cruise passengers to do. Then a new baseball park was built there. All this development created lots of new jobs and improved the cities revenue base.

Have no knowledge of the planning here, but it sure turned out well in San Diego. But the convention center was the key to success there.
I LOVE the Manchester Hyatt and the Gaslamp District. That convention center and those hotels really did revitalize downtown San Diego. Simply beautiful. And don't forget the new baseball stadium Petco Park!
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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I LOVE the Manchester Hyatt and the Gaslamp District. That convention center and those hotels really did revitalize downtown San Diego. Simply beautiful. And don't forget the new baseball stadium Petco Park!
The Manchester Hyatt is sort of shaped like a chisel. The Emerald Shaprey (not a hotel) looks like a set of socket wrenches with green hexagonal neon on the roof. A bank looks like a Phillips screwdriver. It has prompted discussion of how the skyline looks like a tool set.

And yes, the Gaslamp District is what I was talking about and it is a wonderful area. Some of the hotels build after Petco Park have roof top areas that you can watch the baseball games from.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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The Manchester Hyatt is sort of shaped like a chisel. The Emerald Shaprey (not a hotel) looks like a set of socket wrenches with green hexagonal neon on the roof. A bank looks like a Phillips screwdriver. It has prompted discussion of how the skyline looks like a tool set.

And yes, the Gaslamp District is what I was talking about and it is a wonderful area. Some of the hotels build after Petco Park have roof top areas that you can watch the baseball games from.
Damn those greedy developers and the horrible revitalization and expansion they did to downtown San Diego!!!
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