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Old 02-14-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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Yet another "I am so open-minded and liberal and accepting of others that I need to live ONLY near other people EXACTLY LIKE ME. No other viewpoints allowed, I hate those other people. But I am really progressive, really I am open-minded" thread.

Seriously, if identity politics are so important to you, move to Palm Beach/Broward County. You will be accosted by political signs in every yard, on every street corner, on every car plastered with bumper stickers, and robocalls 24/7. You'll have to drive slow to avoid the candidate /party supporters standing in the medians waving signs and yelling at you as you sit at the stoplights. It'll be heaven.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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Thank you to all for your comments! Good stuff! Keep it coming What about St. Petersburg, or somewhere in Pinellas County, like some have said?? This seems like it might be more open minded and progressive. Or am I wrong on that?
You are going to get a whole mix of opinions here, so you need to visit for yourself. I don't think there is that much difference between St. Pete or Sarasota. The more "liberal minded" are found in certain parts of each town (which I previously posted re: Sarasota). People here don't really spout their politics that much. There just is not that "in-your-face" type liberalness found in Berkeley, Portland or Asheville if that is what you are looking for. And thank goodness for that, because most of us here hate that sort of thing. I myself am a moderate who leans to the left a bit politically, but I NEVER and I mean NEVER discuss politics with my friends who are the same and also on both sides of the coin. Both towns have a decent food scene, arts, yoga, and thriving LGBT communities. Sarasota is a smaller city, both have vibrant downtowns.

Again, visit these places (stay out of Bradenton, you will hate it there) and see if you can find what you are looking for.
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Old 02-14-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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I think some responders may be missing the point - or maybe I am not explaining it well... I don't need everyone to think like me. Diversity in thought good and welcomed. But, there are certain areas of the country - deeply very red conservative - like where I am now - who are extremely vocal about their politics and you are very frowned upon and shunned for being anything but conservative. I've lived here for almost 7 years, so I think I am quite open to living in areas and having friends that don't think like me. And, yes, I am open-minded. And, no, I don't hate republicans in any way! lol. That is crazy to say based on the information I have written.

I don't need to be surrounded by political party signs for only democratic candidates. lol. That is silly-ness and taking what I said way too far (and maybe personally? -maybe you are affected by people you have previously run in to?) I don't know.

newtovenice, you seem to suggest I am looking for extremes - to be sure, I don't enjoy extremes on either side. I'm just looking not to repeat what I have here - which is extreme non-tolerance for an opinion that is anything but conservative, surrounded only by red party signs and stickers everywhere combined with extremely vocal conservative politics - and anyone who is brave enough to put up something else... well, often their house gets vandalized or their cars get keyed. I'm not joking.

It seems what newtovenice is referring to is an extreme on the democratic side. I don't want either extreme. Maybe newtovenice has never been exposed to the other extreme??? It is quite unpleasant as well.

I am coming out in about 10 days - as I said in my original post. I would never move somewhere sight unseen. I look forward to exploring, I was just hoping to narrow things down a bit by getting some ideas here. And, was hoping to not be judged and immediately disliked just for wanting to learn about political leanings of an area. After spending 7 years with extreme conservatism, I do want something more moderate and leaning left. Nothing wrong with that - does not in anyway mean I hate my conservative friends and family either. I don't.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:04 PM
 
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I'd also like to note that there are many posts on here of people moving from northern states who are religious and/or politically conservative who ask where the more religious or conservative places are. There is nothing wrong with that. I applaud them for reaching out and trying to learn as much as they can about an area before they move. They often want to be around a religious community and why wouldn't they? I totally get it. I have been reading as much as I can on the City-Data Florida forums and there are many questions just like this.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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I think some responders may be missing the point - or maybe I am not explaining it well... I don't need everyone to think like me. Diversity in thought good and welcomed. But, there are certain areas of the country - deeply very red conservative - like where I am now - who are extremely vocal about their politics and you are very frowned upon and shunned for being anything but conservative. I've lived here for almost 7 years, so I think I am quite open to living in areas and having friends that don't think like me. And, yes, I am open-minded. And, no, I don't hate republicans in any way! lol. That is crazy to say based on the information I have written.

I don't need to be surrounded by political party signs for only democratic candidates. lol. That is silly-ness and taking what I said way too far (and maybe personally? -maybe you are affected by people you have previously run in to?) I don't know.

newtovenice, you seem to suggest I am looking for extremes - to be sure, I don't enjoy extremes on either side. I'm just looking not to repeat what I have here - which is extreme non-tolerance for an opinion that is anything but conservative, surrounded only by red party signs and stickers everywhere combined with extremely vocal conservative politics - and anyone who is brave enough to put up something else... well, often their house gets vandalized or their cars get keyed. I'm not joking.

It seems what newtovenice is referring to is an extreme on the democratic side. I don't want either extreme. Maybe newtovenice has never been exposed to the other extreme??? It is quite unpleasant as well.

I am coming out in about 10 days - as I said in my original post. I would never move somewhere sight unseen. I look forward to exploring, I was just hoping to narrow things down a bit by getting some ideas here. And, was hoping to not be judged and immediately disliked just for wanting to learn about political leanings of an area. After spending 7 years with extreme conservatism, I do want something more moderate and leaning left. Nothing wrong with that - does not in anyway mean I hate my conservative friends and family either. I don't.
You have to understand that this forum is rife with people looking to move here. And all those who ask about politics always describe themselves as "liberal, progressive and open-minded" and always and ONLY want to be directed to an area full of people like themselves. I have yet to see a poster looking to move here identify themselves as conservative seeking to move only to areas where other conservatives live.

You have been responded to regarding this topic by numerous posters who have pretty much said the same thing: Politics are not an issue here. No one cares what your politics are. They really don't. And it has been said MULTIPLE times.

Now: If you are asking about OTHER issues, then be SPECIFIC. What specific issue are you seeking to avoid/live near? For instance in a completely separate forum, a "liberal and diverse" poster clarified that they were black and simply did not want to be the only black person living in an all-white neighborhood. Because that was a specific example, people were able to give that poster helpful information regarding housing areas.

People in this area are friendly, helpful, polite and nice. If you behave in that manner, you will be treated the same.

I have been around all kinds of people, all kinds of viewpoints, lived in different areas of the country, and am able to speak with pretty much anyone. The examples I gave of PBC/BC goes for ALL political viewpoints, republican, democrat and otherwise. They love their politics over there, 24/7/365. So if it is politics you seek, head east. If there is another issue you want info on, then be SPECIFIC as to the issue.

The posts regarding "liberals seeking likewise" have become tiresome. And the rep points I am getting say I'm not the only one who thinks so.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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I'd also like to note that there are many posts on here of people moving from northern states who are religious and/or politically conservative who ask where the more religious or conservative places are. There is nothing wrong with that. I applaud them for reaching out and trying to learn as much as they can about an area before they move. They often want to be around a religious community and why wouldn't they? I totally get it. I have been reading as much as I can on the City-Data Florida forums and there are many questions just like this.
Asking about a religion is specific: Are there any churches of this denomination in this area? That question can be answered and is not a "political" question. It is about what amenities are in the area. That is what I mean by be specific, and I have zero issues with that question.

Here's another question: Are there any gay bars in this area? That question can also be answered and is not a "political" question. It is about what amenities are in the area. I have zero issues with that question.

Do you see the differences between those questions and asking what political views people have?
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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""" Things I am interested in: Bicycling, Rollerblading, talking about current events at coffee shops or frozen yogurt places, going to the beach and reading, going to political events and participating in things I believe in, going out to eat or see a band or theater performance, kayaking, meeting people my own age who are friendly and like to do things. I would also like to meet someone to date - so that is a consideration.

I lived in Tampa Bay area in 1999 - but I am sure much has changed.

I am looking to buy. My range is $325-375. Thank you for your help!"""

newtovenice: clearly you missed this part of my post! and, focused in on only politics bc maybe that is what YOU are concerned with? May want to take a close look at self and your dislike of others with different opinions. Additionally, looks I may want to be in Sarasota bc I don't want politics 27/7. You jump to many conclusions and seem only want to argue. I don't want to argue with you.

Additionally often people who are religious and Christian - tend to lean right - so they are looking for a community of like-minded people. And, there is nothing wrong with that. People who are not religious describe their beliefs in other ways - please be accepting of that and if you can't be accepting of that, then just remove yourself from this thread - easy peasy! I started this thread bc I didn't see anyone asking for progressive leaning areas - I only saw posts asking for religious or right leaning areas. You have given me your opinion over and over and over and over. Thank you. But, there are many other people in Sarasota, others who have replied here and I welcome their opinion also. I don't need your opinion anymore - I get it.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:55 PM
 
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You are going to get a whole mix of opinions here, so you need to visit for yourself. I don't think there is that much difference between St. Pete or Sarasota. The more "liberal minded" are found in certain parts of each town (which I previously posted re: Sarasota). People here don't really spout their politics that much. There just is not that "in-your-face" type liberalness found in Berkeley, Portland or Asheville if that is what you are looking for. And thank goodness for that, because most of us here hate that sort of thing. I myself am a moderate who leans to the left a bit politically, but I NEVER and I mean NEVER discuss politics with my friends who are the same and also on both sides of the coin. Both towns have a decent food scene, arts, yoga, and thriving LGBT communities. Sarasota is a smaller city, both have vibrant downtowns.

Again, visit these places (stay out of Bradenton, you will hate it there) and see if you can find what you are looking for.

Thank you, Gypsychic I appreciate your replies. They are very helpful. I have contacted a realtor to look at houses in the areas you have mentioned. I am not looking for Berkeley, Portland type of liberalism. Actually I can't stand it when it gets to that level on either side of the aisle. I was up in San Fran Bay area for work for three months and could barely stand it. Thank you once again.
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Old 02-14-2017, 02:37 PM
 
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You came back multiple times engaging posters trying to pinpoint areas of "liberialsm" (St. Pete versus Sarasota versus Bradenton). Just responding to that. My statements -- which I am sure you did not understand -- are that politics. just. don't. matter. here. That means anyone and all views: conservative, liberal, green, third party, communist, socialist, fill-in-the-blank with a political identity.

Dislike others? I'm not the one testing the waters on political views, saying how I don't want to live around "conservatives."

If you didn't see the multitude of posts regarding others asking the same exact question you didn't search this board. Comes up every month.

BTW< gypsy, whom you thanked, said the same thing I did. Interesting.

Good luck with your search.
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Old 02-14-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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Sounds like you would like the Safety Harbor area. Many of the people are in your age group. It borders Clearwater, and Oldsmar. Its a unique town on the bay, about half an hour from the Gulf. Artsy, pretty liberal, with a small downtown. Close to anything you would need. For biking and rollerblading, there is the Pinellas Trail that runs right through the city. Your price range for a house would work as well. Being on the Bay it is ideal for kayaking and you will find many others doing the same.

I left Pinellas County to see the country and have found, in spite of its problems, Pinellas County is really a pretty cool place to live. Lots going on most all the time in Pinellas County, especially with St Pete coming alive over the past decade. I have not found a place anywhere I've seen that compares. But be prepared to deal with traffic, crime (in general; some places better than others, Safety Harbor being one that is probably better), crowds, and did I mention traffic?


I should add the entire area (Pinellas) is pretty diverse so you can find like minded individuals wherever you land.

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