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Old 10-29-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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I've been looking at short sale properties in the LWR area for several months and I've spent the evening reading this and the cape coral thread on CDW. I'm curious how a neighborhood of homes built by the same builder can have some houses with clean CDW inspections, while the house next door is being "remediated"? The Taylor Morrison home earlier in this thread which is being gutted due to CDW has homes beside it which have a clean bill of health. This seems so odd to me? I'm looking at a home in the same neighborhood that has no visual signs of CDW. I'll definitely have the inspection, but can it be trusted?
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:49 AM
 
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CuriousBuyer,
That's a really good question, and I don't think anybody can give you an honest answer. There is still too much that is unknown about the whole issue. Has the home your looking at ever been lived in, with people doing things that would raise the indoor humidity? (showers, cooking, etc.) That might come into play. There is a recent poster here, whose parents lived in a home in Cape Coral for several years before realizing that there was a problem.

I would be concerned about future resale value. I would think that the "damaged" homes in the neighborhood will continue to bring down the values of the surrounding homes well into the future. Also future buyers might have the same concerns that you have.

With the drywall shortages at the time, it wouldn't surprise me at all if two homes side by side had different sources for drywall. I still wouldn't buy in a neighborhood that had other homes that clearly did have a problem. I would stay far away from it.
I'm sure other members here, who would like to see the housing inventory drop, might disagree with me.


Here's a post about sellers trying to hide the problem:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/11186998-post380.html
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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Thanks for the reply. The home has been occupied since jan. 2006 and the owners like the area so much they are renting an adjacent home. The home is a short sale and a super great deal if it really is CDW free. I have made a visual inspection myself, and there are no signs. I would definitely get an inspection (probably 2 for CDW). I intially set my sights on getting something built earlier, but there is really nothing appealing in my price range in the same school district. It just seems so odd to me that every house in the entire area built in 2005-2007 isn't CDW affected if there is so much of it out there. This whole thing is so scary. I feel so bad for the people who have been affected by CDW, but not bad enough to take a home off their hands!
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda and Maryland
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Thanks for the reply. The home has been occupied since jan. 2006 and the owners like the area so much they are renting an adjacent home. The home is a short sale and a super great deal if it really is CDW free. I have made a visual inspection myself, and there are no signs. I would definitely get an inspection (probably 2 for CDW). I intially set my sights on getting something built earlier, but there is really nothing appealing in my price range in the same school district. It just seems so odd to me that every house in the entire area built in 2005-2007 isn't CDW affected if there is so much of it out there. This whole thing is so scary. I feel so bad for the people who have been affected by CDW, but not bad enough to take a home off their hands!
The reason that some, but not all homes may have Chinese drywall, could easily be explained. These homes are often subcontracted on order to more than one subcontractor, and when the house is stocked it is stocked all at once, but could very easily come from a supplier that did not distribute CDW, some suppliers deal mainly with USG (U.S. Gypsum), or one of the other American manufacturers. So when the house was stocked it came from a completely different source, and maybe a different subcontractor was used. Just because it may have been the same builder doesn't necessarily mean that the same subcontractor did all the homes, or that the same supplier was used either. So that is why some may have it while others are clean.

It is wise to have it inspected anyway!
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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Thanks BigHouse. That makes complete sense.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:33 PM
 
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Thanks for the reply. The home has been occupied since jan. 2006 and the owners like the area so much they are renting an adjacent home. The home is a short sale and a super great deal if it really is CDW free.
Seems to me that if the owner lived in it since 2006 and didn't have any problems you should be ok. Of course the owner might have had related problems and never made the connection. I don't think anyone would try and unload a CDW home on someone and still stay in the area.

Your original point, wondering where all those sheets of drywall that were shipped here ended up, is a very valid one.

I did read about some distributors mixing the bad stuff in with regular drywall delivery's. They were trying to get rid of their inventory once the complaints about the smell started to come in.

If that's true, it means some houses might just have a few sheet of the CDW scattered around the building. Does that mean it will just take longer to cause visible problems? Or would the gas be so diluted as to not damage anything. (besides the inhabitants)
Maybe the few sheets that got in your home ended up in your child's bedroom!

I guess the jury's still out as far as The Consumer Product Safety Commission is concerned:http://www.city-data.com/forum/11399914-post406.html

Be aware that the term "remediation" is very misleading. Nobody knows yet if these homes can actually be salvaged.There are no official guidelines or policies in place yet. It's just a guessing game at this point. There have also been reports that, in some "remediated" homes, the sulfur smell has returned.

Personally, knowing what I know, I would want an inspection that identified the manufacturer of the drywall, not one that only looked for the usual damage. It might mean opening up some walls. Or maybe just pulling out some bathroom medicine cabinets. Sometimes they can send a little camera inside the wall. You want to see the name stamped on the back of the sheets.
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:28 PM
 
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Our of curiousity, are you suggesting that people suck up the losses?

Are you a builder that used CDW?

If not through the legal system, how are these people suppose to cover their losses, incurred from this toxic import?

Some peoples builders went belly up, and government bail outs are not fair to other tax payers, nor does it look like any are coming after this flim flam report anyway.

The Lawyers are going after the manufacturers, and everyone who profitted off of the sale of this junk board. If you have a problem with that, you must be someone who profitted off of the sale of it yourself. Why else would you begrudge people from using our legal system to recover damages sustained from a faulty product? That is how our legal and defective product liability system works weather we like it or not.
I don't now, nor have I ever worked in the building industry. My issue isn't with people recouping losses when they are wronged, it is with deceptive advertising. Intentionally registering a domain name to look like a non profit organization, and holding "town hall meetings" that are in fact legal consultations is deceptive, even if it isn't technically wrong.
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda and Maryland
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I don't now, nor have I ever worked in the building industry. My issue isn't with people recouping losses when they are wronged, it is with deceptive advertising. Intentionally registering a domain name to look like a non profit organization, and holding "town hall meetings" that are in fact legal consultations is deceptive, even if it isn't technically wrong.
That is the wordsmithing specialty of lawyers! It is what they do! You know they are "for the people" dontcha!
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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whenever that morgan bloke comes on tv spouting his 'im just here for you' crap , i have this strange urge to punch him....
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda and Maryland
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whenever that morgan bloke comes on tv spouting his 'im just here for you' crap , i have this strange urge to punch him....
He'd like that!

He'd be like - Oh, you fell down! It wasn't your fault, lets sue them! And, then he would help you up - by your wallet!
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