Fired for a button he wore (Port Charlotte, North Port: fit in, neighborhood, buying)

[Alaska to Florida]

It was the unions that got us the 40 hour work week.
It was the unions that got us the 8 hour work day.
It was the unions that got us protection from unsafe work environments.
It was the unions that got us employer sponsored health care.
It was the unions that got us paid sick leave.
It was the unions that made life better for every worker, union or not.

[loves2read]

frankly I am glad they fired the guy--he was prosletyzing at work
he wanted the confrontation
this is about the religious right bullying their way to the front of the line on how everyone should be like them...

[mr&mrssunshine]

as someone who has been both an employee and employer I disagree with Alaskas post.

Unions generally act politically in the interests of thier leaders and use their members a spawns.

As an employer I would see unionising in my company as the beginning of its downfall.

In the Uk back in the 80s we had the miners strikes led by a virtual communist who was hell bent on bringing down the elected government. He laid his hard working members out on a table and many ended up losing homes jobs families. He himself never suffered continuing to lead a well paid life. Google Arthur scargill and see what power does in the wrong hands

[kbuild]

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

He wasn't fired for wearing a button. He was fired for not doing what he was told- to remove it. Pretty simple to me really. You want to keep your job, you do what the boss tells you to do.

For supporting his Brother who is fighting at war. And supporting his Father (Jesus) and supporting his country. We are sounding like a Country of sheep! Remember what are founding fathers believed in God and Freedom. Some of these responses sound SOCIALIST...

[kbuild]

Originally Posted by Alaska to Florida

It was the unions that got us the 40 hour work week.
It was the unions that got us the 8 hour work day.
It was the unions that got us protection from unsafe work environments.
It was the unions that got us employer sponsored health care.
It was the unions that got us paid sick leave.
It was the unions that made life better for every worker, union or not.

Yeah tell that to Detroit!

[mrcoolmrcool28]

Alaska's right, BUT that was ages ago!! Now that those rules are here, great, workers everywhere appreciate that. But their work is done! These days they've ruined a lot of companies by their extremism. I find it hard to believe anyone can't see what the Union did to the auto industry, and I'm sure everyone has examples in their own area, but everyone in the country knows about what happened to Detroit.
mrs.cool

[Lilybeans]

Originally Posted by kbuild

For supporting his Brother who is fighting at war. And supporting his Father (Jesus) and supporting his country. We are sounding like a Country of sheep! Remember what are founding fathers believed in God and Freedom. Some of these responses sound SOCIALIST...

Really? You can'r support Jesus on your own time. If one of my employees decided to wear a button after I told them not to, they wouldn't last the hour. If they want to start their own business, then great, they can wear whatever they want.

[newguy101]

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

He wasn't fired for wearing a button. He was fired for not doing what he was told- to remove it. Pretty simple to me really. You want to keep your job, you do what the boss tells you to do.

that about sum's it up it's not about unions, or right to work states. or jesus bashing this is the rule and it was when you hired on...keep your personal views to your self. when you punch the clock you are there to do your job, and follow the guide lines of the company..when you punch out, do your own thing. you got fired because you refused to follow policy...then cry about it, you learned a lesson growup and move on,,note; life is going to tougher than that wus!

[Big House]

Ok, I didn't start this as a union - non-union discussion, but I think it is good different discussion.
I will start a separate thread, and see if we can get some good discussion going.

There is a lot of meritable discussions going on here! I just think that there needs to be some reasonable grounds for letting people go. Not petty things. Rules should be spelled out in a hand book, and although written documents need to allow for being updated from time to time in order to benefit the business that was founded on the intent of (generally - for growth, profit, and growth of the employees - that was part of my mission statement) the company's well being.

I am not so sure that wearing a button that is patriotic, or one supports God, the Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins or other things should receive so much intense focus, or recieve so much vehement treatment that someone should lose his job. I don't want to alienate anyone myself, but don't feel that everyone should be so opposed to others. Shouldn't there be some reasonable level of tolerance?

If it is written in a handbook, or added by ammendment - I can understand. In this case - if it was - then I understand, and support it. But if not, then I think that some measure of tolarance should be considered through a resolution ladder - if it comes to that. Sometimes there is abuse of power, and when that occurs - it is the most problematic too me.

[keithhtt]

I saw the interview and read the article. He wore it for a long time and it only became a problem when he started reading his Bible during his break. He read it to himself and in silence. We have all been very well indoctrinated by the government schools and the ACLU (Anti Christ Liberals Union )to believe that God only belongs in church or in your home. That's not the way this country was until the 1960's and we haven't been the better for it.