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Old 03-24-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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Well.. nuclear reactors eventually will became thermonuclear. Thing is that amount of Uranium is also restricted on the planet. Similar to oil it will be eventually completely used.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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Well.. nuclear reactors eventually will became thermonuclear. Thing is that amount of Uranium is also restricted on the planet. Similar to oil it will be eventually completely used.

ROFLMFAO.........it is IMPOSSIBLE for a Nuclear Reactor to go "thermonuclear".........

Nuclear Reactors use the FISSION process.....Thermonuclear means FUSION.....we don't have a practical and commercial FUSION Reactor yet!

IF you mean a FISSION Reactor can cause a nuclear explosion...that too is IMPOSSIBLE....the fuel is not nearly enriched enough to attain critical mass!!!!!

The Uranium in laymen's terms is not pure enough for a bomb!

Nuclear weapons can either be Fission explosions(Atom Bomb) or a Fission explosion that in turn triggers a Fusion(thermonuclear) Explosion or Hydrogen Bomb.

And BREEDER Reactors make more nuclear fuel than they consume so your second assumption is also incorrect.

PLEASE read the links!!!!!

Nuclear fission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nuclear fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nuclear weapon design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Critical mass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Breeder reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Now back to the main thread topic which I started to educate folks on the crisis in Japan>>>>>

The Meltdown That Wasn't: Quick Decisions Prevented a Bigger Nuclear Catastrophe: Scientific American

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Old 03-25-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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PITTSTON2SARASOTA, I meant that eventually, in a few years, or may be in a few centuries, humanity will learn how to control thermonuclear reactions and will start build thermonuclear power stations.
Probably it will happened when uranium reserves on the Earth will be expended.
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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I heard today that the workers at the plant stepped into water that had 10,000 times the normal level of radiation, and it burned right through their shoes...

These poor workers are doomed...they are sacrificing their lives to help others...wow...
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:19 PM
 
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PITTSTON2SARASOTA, I meant that eventually, in a few years, or may be in a few centuries, humanity will learn how to control thermonuclear reactions and will start build thermonuclear power stations.
Probably it will happened when uranium reserves on the Earth will be expended.
Sorry.......I misunderstood you........the ITER Experimental Fusion Reactor is currently under construction in France.....so IMHO......in 30 years or less we will have our first commercial Fusion Reactor online>>>>>>

ITER Experimental Fusion Reactor: The Next Step Towards A Commercial Reactor.

ITER - the way to new energy
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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I heard today that the workers at the plant stepped into water that had 10,000 times the normal level of radiation, and it burned right through their shoes...

These poor workers are doomed...they are sacrificing their lives to help others...wow...
That is true, however the radiation penetrated their shoes(they did not have thicker rubber boots on, as they should have been wearing) but it did not "burn" through in a "chemical" or heat reaction as I think you are envisioning.

The workers received about 180 millisieverts of Beta radiation.....causing some skin blistering/burning. The maximum millisieverts per year per worker, during an emergency is 100 millisieverts.

Although above the limit it is NOT life threatening, but there is a possible higher risk of cancer.....only time will tell.

I admire the workers myself and believe they are very brave; however they are NOT doomed to die as you imply!

Workers Step in Radioactive Water at Japan's Nuclear Plant - IEEE Spectrum
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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That is true, however the radiation penetrated their shoes(they did not have thicker rubber boots on, as they should have been wearing) but it did not "burn" through in a "chemical" or heat reaction as I think you are envisioning.

The workers received about 180 millisieverts of Beta radiation.....causing some skin blistering/burning. The maximum millisieverts per year per worker, during an emergency is 100 millisieverts.

Although above the limit it is NOT life threatening, but there is a possible higher risk of cancer.....only time will tell.

I admire the workers myself and believe they are very brave; however they are NOT doomed to die as you imply!

Workers Step in Radioactive Water at Japan's Nuclear Plant - IEEE Spectrum
Are you saying that radiation 'burns' aren't measured in tempurature?

In other words the water could be cold, but if radio-active, you can still get burned?

I guess what I'm asking is...is radiation 'hot'...tempurature hot?

Can snow be radioactive??
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Old 03-27-2011, 04:59 PM
 
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Are you saying that radiation 'burns' aren't measured in tempurature?

In other words the water could be cold, but if radio-active, you can still get burned?

I guess what I'm asking is...is radiation 'hot'...tempurature hot?

Can snow be radioactive??
YES.... they are not(measured in temperature)............radiation burns are caused by ionizing radiation that penetrates the skin. Heat is infrared....a very long wavelength.....most forms of radiation are a very short wavelength(high frequency or energy in a given area)....like Gamma Rays.

So yes.....the water can be "ice cold" but highly radioactive and yes......snow can be radioactive.....IF it were contaminated by high radiation.

These links will explain wavelengths and "energy density"(or frequency)......once you understand and master this concept you open a "window" into being able to understand MANY scientific concepts....which are all tied into electromagnetic wavelengthths.

The higher the frequency.......the shorter the wavelength.....over a given distance........hence more energetic......think X-Rays.

The lower the frequency.......the longer the wavelength.....over the same given distance....hence less energetic......think Radio signals.

It's simply the amount of energy packed into a given amount of space.

Starting at the longest wavelengths and moving to the shortest wavelengths: Radio then Microwave then Infrared then Visible Light then UltraViolet then X-Rays then Gamma Rays>>>>>>

This is also how different types of Space Telescopes "see" the Universe differently by looking at different wavelengths.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...telescopes.jpg

Electromagnetic spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ionizing radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

File:EM Spectrum Properties edit.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electromagnetic Spectrum Chart

IF you have any more questions I'd be glad to help you understand this concept better....I like helping people and I reinforce and add to my knowledge base by helping others.

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Old 03-27-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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Here's a new link from Scientific American Magazine>>>>>

Safety Concerns Often Amount to Status Quo at U.S. Nuclear Industry's Aging Reactors: Scientific American
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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YES.... they are not(measured in temperature)............radiation burns are caused by ionizing radiation that penetrates the skin. Heat is infrared....a very long wavelength.....most forms of radiation are a very short wavelength(high frequency or energy in a given area)....like Gamma Rays.

So yes.....the water can be "ice cold" but highly radioactive and yes......snow can be radioactive.....IF it were contaminated by high radiation.

These links will explain wavelengths and "energy density"(or frequency)......once you understand and master this concept you open a "window" into being able to understand MANY scientific concepts....which are all tied into electromagnetic wavelengthths.

The higher the frequency.......the shorter the wavelength.....over a given distance........hence more energetic......think X-Rays.

The lower the frequency.......the longer the wavelength.....over the same given distance....hence less energetic......think Radio signals.

It's simply the amount of energy packed into a given amount of space.

Starting at the longest wavelengths and moving to the shortest wavelengths: Radio then Microwave then Infrared then Visible Light then UltraViolet then X-Rays then Gamma Rays>>>>>>

This is also how different types of Space Telescopes "see" the Universe differently by looking at different wavelengths.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...telescopes.jpg

Electromagnetic spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ionizing radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

File:EM Spectrum Properties edit.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electromagnetic Spectrum Chart

IF you have any more questions I'd be glad to help you understand this concept better....I like helping people and I reinforce and add to my knowledge base by helping others.
Thanks for the info...tried giving you a rep point, but was told to 'spread rep around'...oh well...

Thanks for the info...
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