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Old 04-08-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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please see again first post, and THINK, really try to THINK and answer - if there is no overpopulation then tell me why Cleveland is looking so much better than New York ?
Cleveland is better/nicer than NYC? Really? Have you ever been to either one? No offense to any chicks with crimson lips, but Cleveland sucks. At least compared to one of the largest most influential and affluent cities on Earth.
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I have found this text on some forum, it is so interesting that I have decided to cite it here:

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Overpopulation is a fact, overpopulated areas look like slum, famous example: New York – Newark (40 millions inhabitants) Metropolis – other examples from US: Chicago and Los Angeles. Normal cities are like Cleveland, Phoenix etc. normal are also towns.
Example from beyond of US: Silesia (including Cracow and Wroclaw), Poland – in Europe and Asia such areas is much much more but I would have to have much more money to explore all of them, so I have to leave it for people and scientists which are living there and can see it themselves or for people and scientists which are traveling many.
Normal city should have from couple hundreds thousands of inhabitants to maximum two millions and as a metro to couple millions. Amount of population should stop at level 2,8 billions (in Europe milliards) people in 50’s.
Overpopulation makes gradually for serious biological degradation of inhabitants of overpopulated areas, it is very good seen in Silesia, Poland – but such regions in Euroasia and on other continents is much more.
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and what do you think ?
We've already overwhelmed nature's ability to maintain the balance and allow flourishing biodiversity, but reaching the point where the world will be physically unable to support us is a whole other matter entirely.

It is not necessarily responsible to drive other species to extinction so there can be more of us, but that is exactly what we are doing. I suspect the world can (and will) ultimately support at least twice (maybe three times, if we farm seaweed and live on/under the ocean) as many people as there are now until we just cannot physically put enough food in people's mouths to keep them all alive. The only other animal wildlife will probably be insects, rats and pigeons, though.
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Holland
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Most of the square footage of the USA is rural, 10 people per square-mile or less.
because overpopulation in your country for know concern only some areas - in future it will change, and overpopulation will include most of the country
but for example in Europe and Asia this problem has catastrophic size

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At least compared to one of the largest most influential and affluent cities on Earth
ha, ha, one of the greatest slum in the world

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Cleveland is better/nicer than NYC? Really? Have you ever been to either one?
yes, I have a family in North Arlington NJ, and I have seen hundreds of places in US from smallest towns to greatest cities

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but reaching the point where the world will be physically unable to support us is a whole other matter entirely
but first post doesn't say about it

Last edited by ShiftFn; 04-08-2011 at 02:07 PM.. Reason: add answer for Chango
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Old 04-08-2011, 02:17 PM
 
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Nature takes care of overpopulation.

I'd like the OP to cite where he/she/it found statistics showing NYC/Chicago to be a slum...

Compared to cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Karachi and Mumbai......
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Old 04-08-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Cleveland is better/nicer than NYC? Really? Have you ever been to either one? No offense to any chicks with crimson lips, but Cleveland sucks. At least compared to one of the largest most influential and affluent cities on Earth.
Cleveland metro area, compared to New York. has more square feet of housing per capita, more people in homes with yards and gardens, fewer homeless people. Living there is more affordable in terms of the median family income. In addition to being a better quality of family life, it looks less like a slum.

Who, in Cleveland, would want to go to New York, and be one of the 20-million people who live within a stone's throw of a coupe hundred of the "most influential and affluent" people on earth? How would that improve their lifestyle? Would it make my city a better place, if Donald Trump and all his influence and affluence moved to Victoria, Texas?
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Old 04-08-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Holland
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Nature takes care of overpopulation.
your faith in Nature is exaggerated

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I'd like the OP to cite where he/she/it found statistics showing NYC/Chicago to be a slum...

Compared to cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Karachi and Mumbai......
don't have to because cities like Beijing, Shanghai... are also slums

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Cleveland metro area, compared to New York. has more square feet of housing per capita, more people in homes with yards and gardens, fewer homeless people. Living there is more affordable in terms of the median family income. In addition to being a better quality of family life, it looks less like a slum.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:43 AM
 
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Cleveland metro area, compared to New York. has more square feet of housing per capita, more people in homes with yards and gardens, fewer homeless people. Living there is more affordable in terms of the median family income. In addition to being a better quality of family life, it looks less like a slum.

Who, in Cleveland, would want to go to New York, and be one of the 20-million people who live within a stone's throw of a coupe hundred of the "most influential and affluent" people on earth? How would that improve their lifestyle? Would it make my city a better place, if Donald Trump and all his influence and affluence moved to Victoria, Texas?
NYC affords you a certain lifestyle that you cannot get in Cleveland. The beauty of NYC is that it's salaries are much higher than it's (already high) cost of living. I know that if I were to do what I do in Cleveland, I'd have to probably take 1/3rd salary and my bonuses would probably be small (love wallstreet bonuses). It's one of the few places where everyone gets paid the same as Drs.
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Old 04-09-2011, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Holland
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NYC affords you a certain lifestyle that you cannot get in Cleveland. The beauty of NYC...
You are blind
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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NYC affords you a certain lifestyle that you cannot get in Cleveland. The beauty of NYC is that it's salaries are much higher than it's (already high) cost of living. I know that if I were to do what I do in Cleveland, I'd have to probably take 1/3rd salary and my bonuses would probably be small (love wallstreet bonuses). It's one of the few places where everyone gets paid the same as Drs.
What does that have to do with whether either city is overpopulated, or looks like a slum, or sucks? If Wall Street were moved to Cleveland, and YOU could move to Cleveland and make your same salary and bonuses, would Cleveland still suck?

How much does the counter staff at McDonalds make in NYC? Three times as much as in Cleveland? The same as doctors? How much "lifestyle" can be afforded in NYC by the counter staff at McDonalds?

Here's the answer:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/McDo...1,24_IM615.htm
National average for McDonalds cashier = $7.01
New York City average for McDonalds cashier = $7.27.
Whoopee.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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Oh, so we are basically saying slum = skyscrapers. FWIW, I think Cleveland is more "slum" than NYC.
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