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Old 08-26-2011, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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I'd be satisfied to live a good 80 or 90 years in utterly perfect health, then drop dead. My issue with aging isn't the fact that death is at the end, but the continuing degradation of the body along the way. I'd give anything to be able to have the body of a healthy 20 year old for the rest of my life, even if I knew that life would end at 80. Or heck, it would be worth it even if I only got to live to 70. I can't imagine wanting to live forever, although I suppose that would depend on your perception of time in such a situation.
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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That is a interesting delima because when you are there it would seem like reality and in many ways since perception is reality it would be reality. How do we solve that so we can keep both worlds separate? I have no idea but that is something we as a society will have to work on once we get to that level of technology.
In the sense of just describing our lives that we commonly expeirience every day as a reality, the difference would depend on whether or not you can disrupt a virtual reality or not. If you can't then you'd be stuck with perceiving an artificial reality. Meantime, back in your old world, there might be people force feeding you through tubes just to ensure that you have enough nutrients to remain alive. But that's presuming the virtual reality is actually implanted in your brain.

But if you KNOW you can end a virtual reality any time you want, then you have a safety factor built in, and even though a virtual reality may seem realistic, you'd still know it's a virtual reality. It might even be a timed experience.

There's another problem that would undoubtedly crop up. Regardless of how powerful AI might become, it's still a product of human programming. Mistakes and glitches can show up. Even if a computer program could program itself, that too could have errors in the original programming that could carry through. In a holographic scenario, having errors might be okay in that it would serve as a reminder that it's just an illusion.




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As far as your video that is what I was talking about but on a larger scale and since I am gay I would have the perfect BF there! I would, also, not want to make up all the buildings but have some kind of a blue print then go from there and have voice interface so I would not have to type everything. I would take Pueblo and spend a few days making it my perfect city which is the same now only larger and have all the "news" revolve around Pueblo with NBC, CBS ABC, Fox News and CNN being located in Pueblo not NYC.
It doesn't matter if you're gay or not. You are human aren't you? The point was an example of how a holographic virtual reality could be beneficially used. Imagine if someone was dying from an incurable disease, unable to walk or speak, feeling depressed knowing that their time will be over all too soon, then perhaps a holographic virtual reality might be a positive diversion to help provide some comfort. But as you may have noticed, there was an error that had been overlooked, the building that didn't have any texture or color. You could create any environment you want, add any buildings, and plants and animals, any people, as long as the information is available and detailed enough to look real in the program. I don't know if anything like that would be cropping up anytime soon, but there are computer programs that, even with a flat screen monitor, have graphics that are startlingly realistic. Perfect? No. But still very impressive. Imagine what that would be like in a fully surrounded 360 degree 3-D format.
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Night Braizer,

I think you and I are on the same page. As far as the gay reference I was just trying to make a little joke about how I would have my virtual reality different. That is either a good or bad thing? I mean if you could have the perfect spouse in a virtual reality world would you want one in the real world? Think about it this way. Imagine the person you really wanted to date but for whatever reason they did not want to date you, maybe they even led you on. If you could create him or her in a virtual reality why go through all the hurt and suffering in the real world? In my opinion that could become a huge issue for society.

One last thing. What is better a hollow deck or something plugged into you so you can be part of the new internet. As long as you could get off anytime you want I would be ok with either one and at first anyway it might be more affordable since you would not have to build a hollow deck in your house.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:01 AM
 
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Night Braizer,

I think you and I are on the same page. As far as the gay reference I was just trying to make a little joke about how I would have my virtual reality different. That is either a good or bad thing? I mean if you could have the perfect spouse in a virtual reality world would you want one in the real world? Think about it this way. Imagine the person you really wanted to date but for whatever reason they did not want to date you, maybe they even led you on. If you could create him or her in a virtual reality why go through all the hurt and suffering in the real world? In my opinion that could become a huge issue for society.
I wouldn't really need a perfect spouse in VR since the one I already have in real life is perfect enough for me. Creating a VR spouse doesn't seem much different than wanting a robotic partner. That's a little too kinky for my preferences. Do you honestly think that would become a "huge issue for society"? If society gets that bad, it's time to check out.

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One last thing. What is better a hollow deck or something plugged into you so you can be part of the new internet. As long as you could get off anytime you want I would be ok with either one and at first anyway it might be more affordable since you would not have to build a hollow deck in your house.
I guess it would depend on what you mean by plugging yourself in. If it means going through a surgical implant in the brain, that seems pretty extreme to me. Surgery should be considered as a last resort when no other options work or nothing else is available. If it's more like a Total Recall scenario, I don't think I'd want to do it. Once the info is fed into your brain to simulate a real event, how would you turn off the memory of it since it would seem like it really happened? Maybe some kind of safeguard would be included.

There are a number of ways to mess with a person's brain to give the impression of a real event taking place. The so-called 'God Helmet' is one example. I'm not saying virtual reality can't be useful though, I already gave one example. It could also be useful for training exercises, especially in training for something dangerous, or something that needs expertise with things that leave little room for mistakes in real life, like surgical procedures, law enforcement, space simulations, etc.

I can only speak for myself, but I rather enjoy my brain as it is, flaws and all. I have my share of mistakes and problems, but the way I look at it is that mistakes are part of learning about ways that don't work.

A holographic system could be pretty cool for a form of entertainment. Not sure how it would work to walk around though. Touching things could be done by using gloves or body suits with sensors that are programmed to activate in certain conditions.

Another option (more for home use) are full helmets that provide sights, sounds, and change your view by turning your head to look 360 degrees. Not very tactile, but that could be worked out with a body suit.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Nightbraizer,

Perhaps it wont be a big issue as I think it will but consider how big the porn industry is now. What would it be like if the porn was virtual reality?

I would not want anything surgically implanted in me as well. To me that is not futuristic but what people in the 60's thought we would do when they did not know the full potential of nano-technology. I envision two possibilities. One would be a bed that we lie in and sensors connects to our body and in the bed they have the computer that would enable to connect is to the web or just stay within the computer. Something from the movie Avatar but when you connect its to the virtual reality not another person like in the movie. Another posiblity would be for nano-technology to be inside us and somehow connect us to the internet. I have no idea how that would work and we would need to have the ability to get on or off when we want to.

Virtual reality is the fun aspect of increasing information technology at a exponential rate but there are others including solar technology. According to the book in 5 to 10 years the cost for solar will be cheaper then fossil fuels so in the near future everyone will be switching over to solar power for everything from cars to houses to business. I wonder what will happen to the middle east then?
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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Living forever? i'd say by 500 years you'd be so bored with life you would welcome death..
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Living forever? i'd say by 500 years you'd be so bored with life you would welcome death..
Not me. There is so much to see in this universe that I think I could live a billion years and not see everything.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Who wants to live forever? Who dares to live forever?
I don't want physical immortality (entropy is always a problem). I don't want to live for thousands of years in the body I'm in, either. I don't want to become a cyborg or a robot or a setient AI. I'll live for a few more decades in this corrupting mortal body of mine and then separate from it. I'm very curious about what is on the Other Side ...
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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120 years is the maximum we have been allotted by Almighty God. That's plenty of time.


"Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
~Genesis 6:3
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I don't want physical immortality (entropy is always a problem). I don't want to live for thousands of years in the body I'm in, either. I don't want to become a cyborg or a robot or a setient AI. I'll live for a few more decades in this corrupting mortal body of mine and then separate from it. I'm very curious about what is on the Other Side ...
The good news is your will have that option and the people who want to live for a very long time will have that option as well. My hope is as I live for a long time our intelligence and knowledge will increase to the point where scientifically we know what happens to us when we die with no uncertainty. Then I can decide if I want to die or live forever.
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