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Old 11-26-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by wrecking ball View Post
it seems the claim is a year and a half old:

Cryptomundo Dr. Melba Ketchum’s DNA Diagnostics Gets an F?
There is a more updated link at that site about her results. Seems that a lot of people are wanting to take credit for her work or if they can't, they want to say their science is flawed, pending peer review. This is really big news. I heard it on the morning radio program around 7am. Seems like a Russian scientist leaked Ketchums findings prompting her to do a early press release before her journal is published.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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i heard nasa's rover found marlboro cigarette butts and empty budweiser bottles on mars last week too.
Makes ya wonder who are we, and why are we here? Lol
Thanks for the laugh
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I would suggest patience for your ignorance rather than pushing the BS button just because a factor is questionable in your mind .
And I would suggest you get a clue. "Patience for ignorance" regarding "Sasquatch" is about as reasonable as the same for unicorns, gryphons, chimaeras, centaurs and leprechauns.

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You are likely not a researcher in this field ,and your answer to every thing not in your own hand is BS. How do you learn any thing ?
There is no such thing as "a researcher in this field." There are only hopeless amateurs who divide generally into two groups; the charlatans and their marks.

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I am neither a scientist nor a collage graduate ,however when embarking on any project even during the building of a project I continue to patientoy research the issues at hand because I find that all the information available is not contained in one source but many.
See? What did I tell you? You just provided a perfect example.

But that is neither here nor there. Even if "Sasquatch" was real, this article is still bullsh*t. It does not take 5 years to do a DNA analysis.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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Even if "Sasquatch" was real, this article is still bullsh*t. It does not take 5 years to do a DNA analysis.
The most logical conclusion is they sat on it for a long time to make sure they had it right. Scientists do take their time when announcing or publishing their findings. NASA scientists are a prime example.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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it certainly could if you sequence three complete genomes of 3 billion base pairs each and annotate them, especially when working with what is likely a small budget.
1) It does not require a full genome sequence to produce results as trivial as the ones claimed in this "article."

2) The sequencing of three complete genomes for a single species is simply stupid. No real scientist would bother. They would instead sequence a single complete genome as a baseline and then simply do variation profiling on the other samples. They're supposedly trying to identify a species, not diagnose multiple scelrosis.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The most logical conclusion is they sat on it for a long time to make sure they had it right.
Actually, no. The most logical conclusion is that they are frauds.

The conclusion that "they sat on it for a long time to make sure they had it right" would be much further down the "most logical" list.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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Actually, no. The most logical conclusion is that they are frauds.
Are you a expert in DNA?
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Are you a expert in DNA?
One does not need to by an expert to detect psuedoscientific bullsh*t. One need only be able to think critically and pay attention to the details. What details you might ask?

Details such as these:

1. Dr. Melba Ketchum's company is apparently not very good at doing DNA analyses of horses or cats, let alone "Sasquatch."

2. Her company's website claims that "The staff at DNA Diagnostics, Inc. also has published research on a continuing basis since 1988." But a search of relevant peer reviewed journals dealing with genetics and/or genetic testing can find not a single research report published by anyone associated with the company, to include Dr. Ketchum herself.

3. The same website says that she "is a past three-term Chairperson of the International Society for Animal Genetics Equine Genetics Standing Committee." Yet reviewing the biannual reports of that committee going back as far as 2006 can find no mention of her participation let alone leadership. This is also true regarding their committees on dogs and cats.

4. The same website claims that "Staff members at DNA Diagnostics have been accepted in court as experts in human and animal forensic DNA testing both by Frye hearing and by challenge in court for the prosecution and the defense and in criminal and civil cases as well as cases filed in Federal Court." Ignoring that the only "staff member" identified by the site is Ketchum, no such cases or testimony can be found in comprehensive online searches. A single case can be found where Dr. Ketchum was among a number of defendants who lost a patent infringment case back in February 2010.

5. The same website is such an amateurish mess that it even includes major headings that link to blank pages.

6. The curriculum vitae of "Dr." Ketchum is so thin that it is not even clear what degrees she might possess, or where she got them from. She does however seem to have managed to get a couple of TV show spots as some sort of "Bigfoot expert," something she appears to be fishing for more of.

7. Other than in credulous references to "bigfoot" Dr. Ketchum's online presence is essentially nonexistent.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Aparently Resume inflation is alive and well at Sasquach central.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:17 PM
 
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One does not need to by an expert to detect psuedoscientific bullsh*t. One need only be able to think critically and pay attention to the details. What details you might ask?

Details such as these:

1. Dr. Melba Ketchum's company is apparently not very good at doing DNA analyses of horses or cats, let alone "Sasquatch."

2. Her company's website claims that "The staff at DNA Diagnostics, Inc. also has published research on a continuing basis since 1988." But a search of relevant peer reviewed journals dealing with genetics and/or genetic testing can find not a single research report published by anyone associated with the company, to include Dr. Ketchum herself.

3. The same website says that she "is a past three-term Chairperson of the International Society for Animal Genetics Equine Genetics Standing Committee." Yet reviewing the biannual reports of that committee going back as far as 2006 can find no mention of her participation let alone leadership. This is also true regarding their committees on dogs and cats.

4. The same website claims that "Staff members at DNA Diagnostics have been accepted in court as experts in human and animal forensic DNA testing both by Frye hearing and by challenge in court for the prosecution and the defense and in criminal and civil cases as well as cases filed in Federal Court." Ignoring that the only "staff member" identified by the site is Ketchum, no such cases or testimony can be found in comprehensive online searches. A single case can be found where Dr. Ketchum was among a number of defendants who lost a patent infringment case back in February 2010.

5. The same website is such an amateurish mess that it even includes major headings that link to blank pages.

6. The curriculum vitae of "Dr." Ketchum is so thin that it is not even clear what degrees she might possess, or where she got them from. She does however seem to have managed to get a couple of TV show spots as some sort of "Bigfoot expert," something she appears to be fishing for more of.

7. Other than in credulous references to "bigfoot" Dr. Ketchum's online presence is essentially nonexistent.
One more time. Are you a expert in DNA structure and sequencing? A simple Yes or No answer will suffice. Thank you.
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