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Old 12-12-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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That's a big reason everyone is trying to forget the term "Global Warming" and use the new buzz word "Climate Change". Because every time it snows people DO say "Global Warming my ass" like they expect a world with no winter to happen from one year to the next. And as some places get warmer, others could cool.
Read some theories about the UK experiencing a second 'mini ice age' as the Gulf Stream cools from melting polar ice...

Will global warming trigger a new ice age? | Environment | The Guardian

Well, that article is 9 years old and it hasn't quite happened yet...
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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A mere 12,000 years ago, 1/2 of North America was covered by a mile thick glacier. It receded. It is a continuation of that recession.

But then again, we conservatives believe in REAL science....not political, falsified "truth" to get more funding science.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:13 PM
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A mere 12,000 years ago, 1/2 of North America was covered by a mile thick glacier. It receded. It is a continuation of that recession.

But then again, we conservatives believe in REAL science....not political, falsified "truth" to get more funding science.
If you believe in real science, whatever that may be (presumably something that doesn't confilict with your political views - ho ho, that's real!), then you'll have to concede that it would be amazing if 10,000 years of human activities by way of global deforestation, fossil fuel combustion and ozone-depleting gas release could somehow NOT affect the climate. If the climate was miraculously invunerable to all that - it would be an absolute miracle. God sucking off all the CO2 into a holy safebox or something.

You also seem to think that because climatic cycles occur, human activty is irrelevant?
That must be political or something.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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The Earth goes through warming and cooling periods ~ yawn ~



FALSE ALARM: Why Almost Everything We’ve Been Told About Global Warming is Misleading, Exaggerated, or Plain Wrong Climate change: Learning to think like a geologist

Solar irradiance variation during 11-year cycles:



Atmospheric Solar Heat Amplifier Discovered | The Resilient Earth

Milankovitch cycles

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Milankovitch theory describes the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate, named after Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković, who worked on it during First World War internment. Milanković mathematically theorized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit determined climatic patterns on Earth through orbital forcing.
Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Due to the advances in alternative energy at a exponential rate I am not worried about climate change.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:19 PM
 
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Due to the advances in alternative energy at a exponential rate I am not worried about climate change.
While it's inevitable that renewable energy is the future none them are even remotely competitive with fossil fuels. I'll give you one example. Putting aside the laundry list of subsidies that new wind farm in Massachusetts that made a big splash in the news a few years back has a contract that started at 22 cents per kWh with a 2.5% increase each year for 15 years. The last year of the contract it will be more than 30 cents per kWh.

That's the wholesale cost to the distributor, coal and natural gas are around 4 cents per kWh. The reason the distributor would pay that rate is because they are mandated by law in most states to provide X amount of electricity through renewable resources. Most people focus on the subsidies but in reality that's small potatoes compared to the cost of the mandates.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Denver area
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"Humanity will have to learn to adapt to a changing climate
Humans will adapt, we always do. It's the other creatures who have to live on Earth with us that I feel sorry for.

We humans trash this planet & the rest of creation has to suffer.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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My favorite is every time there is a storm that has historical counterparts the media and AGW kooks blame it on global warming.

My other favorite is someone, mainly RWNJ types, who ignore the fact that these "historical" 100 year storms are happening every year!

Here's some great links!

NASA Interactive Global Ice Viewer>>>>

Global Ice Viewer

Arctic Sea Ice Hits Record Low: Scientific American
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:07 PM
 
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My other favorite is someone, mainly RWNJ types, who ignore the fact that these "historical" 100 year storms are happening every year!
Reference?


For example Sandy had a 4 meter surge, and keep in mind that was at the very worst tide levels there could have been. Here's the comparison to other storms, note the two that occurred in the 1600's 3 years apart.

700 yr Sedimentary Record of Intense Hurricane Landfalls



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Five intense (category 3 or greater) hurricanes occurring in 1635, 1638, 1815, 1869, and 1938 have made landfall on the New England coast since European settlement. Historical records indicate that four of these hurricanes (1635, 1638, 1815, and 1938) and hurricane Carol, a strong category 2 storm in 1954, produced significant storm surges (.3 m) in southern Rhode Island. Storm surges of this magnitude can overtop barrier islands, removing sediments from the beach and nearshore environment and depositing overwash fans across back-barrier marshes, lakes, and lagoons. In a regime of rising sea level, accumulation of marsh, lake, or lagoon sediments on top of overwash, deposits will preserve a record of overwash deposition.

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Old 12-14-2012, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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While it's inevitable that renewable energy is the future none them are even remotely competitive with fossil fuels. I'll give you one example. Putting aside the laundry list of subsidies that new wind farm in Massachusetts that made a big splash in the news a few years back has a contract that started at 22 cents per kWh with a 2.5% increase each year for 15 years. The last year of the contract it will be more than 30 cents per kWh.

That's the wholesale cost to the distributor, coal and natural gas are around 4 cents per kWh. The reason the distributor would pay that rate is because they are mandated by law in most states to provide X amount of electricity through renewable resources. Most people focus on the subsidies but in reality that's small potatoes compared to the cost of the mandates.
Agreed today renewable energy is not competitive with fossil fuels. However, given the fact renewable energy is advancing exponentially we are only a few years away from it becoming as competitive as fossil fuels then it will quickly become more competitive. In the case of solar we are looking around 2019 for it to be as competitive then in the 2020's it will be more competitive.
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