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Old 04-16-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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There are many limits on our ability to adapt and evolve. How far we can go is too dependent on many factors beyond our understanding imo.
There is no limit. New technology comes and people get use to it pretty fast. Just look at smart phones and even google glass.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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We get smarter every day, but I can see us developing a technology that renders us obsolete. I'm not suggesting that it will destroy us, but that we continue to make our lives easier, causing real jobs to be lost.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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We get smarter every day, but I can see us developing a technology that renders us obsolete. I'm not suggesting that it will destroy us, but that we continue to make our lives easier, causing real jobs to be lost.
Merging with computers could help solve this problem in the long run.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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Merging with computers could help solve this problem in the long run.
That could help my back pain.
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Old 04-17-2014, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I remember writing a letter to my Dad, when I was 35, and he had asked about retirement savings. I said "surely, 30 years from now (2003), society will have found a way to ensure a decent lifestyle for all retirees. Well, how are we doing so far? In my state, the prevailing political thought is to abolish completely the way society has found to do that. I hope humanity doesn't get any more "advanced".

Societies advance by improving the lives of the lowest of them, not the highest.
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Old 04-17-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I remember writing a letter to my Dad, when I was 35, and he had asked about retirement savings. I said "surely, 30 years from now (2003), society will have found a way to ensure a decent lifestyle for all retirees. Well, how are we doing so far? In my state, the prevailing political thought is to abolish completely the way society has found to do that. I hope humanity doesn't get any more "advanced".

Societies advance by improving the lives of the lowest of them, not the highest.
We are actually on the way of never having to retire. At least in the sense we think of retirement. This will be the outcome of society becoming more advanced in the next 15-30 years.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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We are actually on the way of never having to retire. At least in the sense we think of retirement. This will be the outcome of society becoming more advanced in the next 15-30 years.
You are so optimistic about tomorrow. Almost every day, in my local newspaper, I read stories of copper theft. I know that many feel that agriculture will turn to robotics in the next ten years. Of course that would eliminate the jobs of the immigrants that currently work in our fields and orchards. Nobody in Congress is seriously working on any kind of base or basic pay legislation. Where do you think all of this money to support the masses will come from? If I was destitute; your walking 100 pounds of scrap metal would look pretty inviting!
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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We are actually on the way of never having to retire. At least in the sense we think of retirement. This will be the outcome of society becoming more advanced in the next 15-30 years.
What we are on the way to having a large part of your population never having had a job to retire from, living in cities that are crumbling from within and without. Frankly, climate change aside, when some people talk about a dystopian future they seem to conjure up visions of "The Book of Eli" or "Road Warrier." My dystopian future looks more like "Elysium" a world established by the corporations for the corporations with use excess humans living in ramshackle enclaves out of sight and out of mind of their betters.
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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What we are on the way to having a large part of your population never having had a job to retire from,
15-30 years from now? Everybody who will be anywhere near 65 years old 15-30 years from now have already been working most of their life.

I remember WWII, and I might very well be alive in 2030. What about me? Will I still be retired?
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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You are so optimistic about tomorrow. Almost every day, in my local newspaper, I read stories of copper theft. I know that many feel that agriculture will turn to robotics in the next ten years. Of course that would eliminate the jobs of the immigrants that currently work in our fields and orchards. Nobody in Congress is seriously working on any kind of base or basic pay legislation. Where do you think all of this money to support the masses will come from? If I was destitute; your walking 100 pounds of scrap metal would look pretty inviting!
I am not saying we do not have challenges to meet as we do. I am just confident that as they come up society will solve them.
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