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Old 04-27-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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By almost I mean, during the day, also charging a battery for night, also having regular electricity available to use for backup? Or would this never be legal? It's rob electricity companies of money. But the sun is a natural resource that we could use for free electricity.

I also thought should water be free since its essential to life, but then I thought if it was some people would take advantage and use excessive amounts of water that they don't need.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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By almost I mean, during the day, also charging a battery for night, also having regular electricity available to use for backup? Or would this never be legal? It's rob electricity companies of money. But the sun is a natural resource that we could use for free electricity.

I also thought should water be free since its essential to life, but then I thought if it was some people would take advantage and use excessive amounts of water that they don't need.
There's not enough sunlight over a typical house to power it every day of the year without a significant reduction in the power consumption. No one has to make full solar against the law--in fact solar has been heavily subsidized by the government up to now to encourage its use. And don't confuse the fact that solar power is present with it being free. It's not free--there's a definite cost to build and maintain solar panels. The same thing goes for water--it's a finite resource that costs money to obtain, transport, and purify.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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By almost I mean, during the day, also charging a battery for night, also having regular electricity available to use for backup? Or would this never be legal? It's rob electricity companies of money. But the sun is a natural resource that we could use for free electricity.
Power companies aren't going anywhere. The only way these system will ever become cost competitive is if they are tied to the grid, you put excess power into the grid and take it when you need it. To do that you'll need to help pay for that infrastructure.

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I also thought should water be free since its essential to life,
You are under the impression it doesn't cost anything to get that water to your house, you just turn the spigot and it magically appears? I have "free" water at my house.... after spending thousands on a well that is going to require thousands in the future.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:43 PM
 
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There's not enough sunlight over a typical house to power it every day of the year without a significant reduction in the power consumption. No one has to make full solar against the law--in fact solar has been heavily subsidized by the government up to now to encourage its use. And don't confuse the fact that solar power is present with it being free. It's not free--there's a definite cost to build and maintain solar panels. The same thing goes for water--it's a finite resource that costs money to obtain, transport, and purify.
Solar and other renewables have only been subsidized in the US since the 1970s to the tune of 50 billion dollars.

Nuclear, oil and gas, and coal which are supposed to be profitable and not subsidized by the gov't have been subsidized to the tune of 650 billion dollars in the US since 1910.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:48 PM
 
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Solar and other renewables have only been subsidized in the US since the 1970s to the tune of 50 billion dollars.

Nuclear, oil and gas, and coal which are supposed to be profitable and not subsidized by the gov't have been subsidized to the tune of 650 billion dollars in the US since 1910.
Irrelevant, what's the subsidy per unit of production?

Then there is that sneaky little maneuver avoiding calling it subsidy by mandating it's use and offloading those costs onto the ratepayer through higher rates.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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Irrelevant, what's the subsidy per unit of production?

Then there is that sneaky little maneuver avoiding calling it subsidy by mandating it's use and offloading those costs onto the ratepayer through higher rates.
Solar power production per unit is cheaper then coal at present even without any subsidies.

Subsidies are meant to encourage people to buy the systems and to make dinosaur energy companies switch over.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:59 PM
 
Location: SC
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It is just a matter of time. Solar plants make power day and night sunny and cloudy. Sooner or later that technology will be available in homes.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Solar power production per unit is cheaper then coal at present even without any subsidies.
I'm going to challenge you yet again to produce any reference to solar being cheaper than coal that accounts for the subsidies, green energy credits and everything else involved.

You can start your research here, they don;t even have solar competing with coal in 2040 let alone now. LOL

http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/pdf...generation.pdf
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:22 PM
 
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My lights went from 100 watts to 20
My most used computer went from my desktop (450 watts or so) to 8 (Dell Venue 8 tablet! The new bay trail CPU's by Intel are amazing)
My server room (don't laugh I do have a server room in my house) went from 800 watts....to cloud servers.

That being said...I still use a ton of power. Far more then solar could provide given the number of trees at my house.

On the other hand.....Theres some really promising things being said about fusion. Lockheed martin claims they will have fusion working and for sale within 4 years.....
Huh? Lockheed Martin announces Scalable Fusion Prototype Generator by 2017 | Exopermaculture
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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It will happen. I plan on being on solar 100% by 2020.
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