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Old 06-06-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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The key phrase.
I suspect that deals with when they remove the driver controls. I suspect virtually all capablilities are implementable in the present legal mileu. You just give the driver an override.

When push come to shove I suspect that may be how it has to go. Too traumatic to go to the googlemobile.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:06 PM
 
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Would absolutely love to ditch control of the car so I could do whatever I wanted while I got to work. Once you remove human idiocy and irrational behavior from driving traffic and accidents would be a long forgotten idea of the past. We won't see this happen in our lifetimes though.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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I suspect that deals with when they remove the driver controls. I suspect virtually all capablilities are implementable in the present legal mileu. You just give the driver an override.

When push come to shove I suspect that may be how it has to go. Too traumatic to go to the googlemobile.

Speaking of traumatic, I can't wait for the first land mark case involving a fatality from one of these death traps!
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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Speaking of traumatic, I can't wait for the first land mark case involving a fatality from one of these death traps!
It will happen in the course of time and will likely be anticlimatic with some drunken idiot driving his car into a stationary autonomous vehicle. That is what will bring the end to human drivers. The 10 to 1 accident statistics will rapidly kill non autonomous vehicles.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:23 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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It will happen in the course of time and will likely be anticlimatic with some drunken idiot driving his car into a stationary autonomous vehicle. That is what will bring the end to human drivers. The 10 to 1 accident statistics will rapidly kill non autonomous vehicles.
OR the software failing, or the hardware freezing, component failure, not seeing the bridge it just drove of of? There's way TOO many ways that toy car could kill the occupants or other motorists when it gets a bug on the lens and can't see the oncoming truck!
Common sense will occur to MANY of us, that there's no technology worth putting our lives completely at its disposal. I myself, am NOT stupid enough to get in one ...ever. I am a driver, and I will drive.
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Old 06-07-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Computers can already do thousands of calculations per second. This will be no issue for them at all.
Assuming (Remember, the word "assume" consists of making an "ass" out of "U'" and "me") that the system can be backed up by a huge database that can cover the situations like the one in my previous post; and those locations will run into the tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands. The need to adjust for many more variables -- everything from weight distribution to current weather -- will make Mapquest and Expedia seem puny in comparison.

I reiterate -- the ideas behind self-driving vehicles are sound -- but the obstacle of accomodating it to a very wide variety of local and individual concerns will be very challenging, and the immediate (and substantial) economic gains revolve arund first installing it in a handful of venues to which it would be fairly well-suited.

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Old 06-07-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Assuming (Remember, the word "assume" consists of making an "ass" out of "U'" and "me") that the system can be backed up by a huge database that can cover the situations like the one in my previous post; and those locations will run int othe tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands. The need to adjust for many more variables -- everything from weight distribution to current weather -- will make Mapquest and Expedia seem puny in comparison.

I reiterate -- the ideas behind self-driving vehicles are sound -- but the obstacle of accomodating it to a very wide variety of local and individual concerns will be very challenging, and the immediate (and substantial) economic gains revolve arund first installing it in a handful of venues to which it would be fairly well-suited.
Computers are quite capable of millions and millions of transactions in a second even in a relatively small system.

The databases will easily encompass all of the physical attributes of official roads in the US. The situation described in your original post would be explicitly included. It is actually the easy part...the fixed physical road ways. The definition may get hazier on dirt, gravel and private roads but there is still pretty good information.

The vehicles also have considerable ability to handle roadways on their own. They can identify and track the road ahead of them. They have a great advantage over a human. They know what they can determine and simply slow down if their is ambiguity. Humans don't do that.

It is also quite likely that the system will feed back the actual experience of any car on a route. Deviants from expected would be the primary target.

Systems that quickly update from actual experience or planned deviations would exist. This is probably the most challenging part of such a system. How do you get quick but accurate updates to all who need to know?

And again any time in doubt the autonomous car simply slows down or stops. In some cases it will likely be a nuisance...but it won't let you get killed.

To our friend the driver...you cannot of course fly on any of the more sophisticated airplanes. Cat III landings are made only by computer. Pilots are forbidden to do anything but call it off. You can of course still take the boat to Europe.
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:50 AM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Computers are quite capable of millions and millions of transactions in a second even in a relatively small system.

The databases will easily encompass all of the physical attributes of official roads in the US. The situation described in your original post would be explicitly included. It is actually the easy part...the fixed physical road ways. The definition may get hazier on dirt, gravel and private roads but there is still pretty good information.

The vehicles also have considerable ability to handle roadways on their own. They can identify and track the road ahead of them. They have a great advantage over a human. They know what they can determine and simply slow down if their is ambiguity. Humans don't do that.

It is also quite likely that the system will feed back the actual experience of any car on a route. Deviants from expected would be the primary target.

Systems that quickly update from actual experience or planned deviations would exist. This is probably the most challenging part of such a system. How do you get quick but accurate updates to all who need to know?

And again any time in doubt the autonomous car simply slows down or stops. In some cases it will likely be a nuisance...but it won't let you get killed.

To our friend the driver...you cannot of course fly on any of the more sophisticated airplanes. Cat III landings are made only by computer. Pilots are forbidden to do anything but call it off. You can of course still take the boat to Europe.
Some of us do NOT fly, or take cruises for those very reasons, and have no need or desire to do so.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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And in 20 years you'll be stuck in the house unless you walk everywhere...
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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And in 20 years you'll be stuck in the house unless you walk everywhere...
Well he may be able to bike...though probably have to carry a local beacon to use the roads.
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