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Old 05-20-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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So why are you bringing it up in this forum yet again?
And....ignored...just like in plwhit's real life, not the imaginary one that he creates online.
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Old 05-20-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Same reason we are still having arguments about Noah and the literal story of the flood. People who have a political motive to refuse to see reason.
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Old 05-20-2014, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Same reason we are still having arguments about Noah and the literal story of the flood. People who have a political motive to refuse to see reason.
I think you see that on both extremes. I mean they say we need to be significantly off fossil fuels by 2030 and when I point out that we will and show them the proof they do not want to look it it.
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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....and show them the proof they do not want to look it it.
I'll take the EIA projections over the word of some blogger any day. They have just a little bit more experience in this field.

Again even if the panels themselves are cheap it's supplementary unless you have storage capacity and that introduces many more $$$$$ and inefficiencies.
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Old 05-20-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I'll take the EIA projections over the word of some blogger any day. They have just a little bit more experience in this field.

Again even if the panels themselves are cheap it's supplementary unless you have storage capacity and that introduces many more $$$$$ and inefficiencies.
I am not sure what you are referring to as its not any blogger who is saying this but most of the studies. I've posted links in it but if you did not see them I can post them again. In fact by 2030, the date we need to be significantly off fossil fuels according to a recent report, solar will be 50% cheaper then fossil fuels. That is good news as that will be the reason we will be significantly off foss fuels and on solar. Personally I plan on being on solar by 2020.

Edit: if you go back to the 12 post I have 2 links that show what I am posting about.

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Old 05-20-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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Edit: if you go back to the 12 post I have 2 links that show what I am posting about.

One is an article and another is blog. They both quote figures from the solar industry. You can find claims like this from the solar industry going back decades.

On the other hand the EIA provides independent analysis that by law has to be non partisan. If you think fossil fuels will disappear in 15 years honestly you are clueless about this topic.
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Old 05-20-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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In fact by 2030, the date we need to be significantly off fossil fuels
according to a recent report, solar will be 50% cheaper then fossil fuels.
Yeah we'll see.... that not happen.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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One is an article and another is blog. They both quote figures from the solar industry. You can find claims like this from the solar industry going back decades.

On the other hand the EIA provides independent analysis that by law has to be non partisan. If you think fossil fuels will disappear in 15 years honestly you are clueless about this topic.
This is exactly what people who are climate change deniers say as they do not want to look at the overwhelming evidence. If you look at the graph you can see how the cost is going down at the same rate since the 1970's. That is why I will be off solar by 2020 and it will be 50% cheaper then fossil fuels by 2030 and why at that point a significant switch will have occurred. This is not conjecture its going to happen all the models show that.
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Old 05-20-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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Whats being said in this topic that hasnt been said in the dozens of other GWing topics?, at the moment there are at least 5 topics on GW in the politics forum,its in the Florida forum.its in the weather forum its in the Canada forum now its in the Science forum and probably in a few other forums.
Cant we just give this topic its own subforum to reduce the clutter?
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:55 PM
 
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If you look at the graph you can see how the cost is going down at the same rate since the 1970's.
What I see is graph that had some great gains for few years but then almost flatlines for a few decades and then has a precipitous drop in 2009 when China starts dumping product on the market.

This graph only accounts for the cost of the panels themselves, since they can rely on fossil fuel as base power when the sun isn't shining we don't have to account for what would be huge expenses for storage. Suppose you had storage, how much are you are going to build? 1 days worth? A week? The more you build the more $$$ and you need to be able to meet demand if the sun doesn't shine for weeks. Even natural gas may face this issue because the infrastructure is not in place to meet this growing demand. You can pile coal to the moon next to a coal plant but there is only X amount of gas available to the market at any given moment. It's just like your house, you can have a small pipe if you are just running the stove but if you are running your heat and hot water a little pipe is not going to cut it. It's the same issue natioanally.

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