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Old 04-12-2015, 03:03 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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no not stupid, but more RELIANT, don't think for yourself anymore just google the answer, its a bit like when calculators came in, how many people these days can do "mental arithmetic" ? technology is ok but I feel we rely on it too much, one day it might not be there, power cut or power failure say then I can see people going nuts! you see it sometimes when people cant get a phone signal then they don't know what to do, they are lost without it.
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Old 04-12-2015, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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My memory has for sure gotten worse. There is less incentive to remember anything since I can find info in seconds w a smartphone. Facebook tells me when everyone's birthday is, etc.

So now the stuff I REALLY remember, is all stuff BEFORE I started using the Internet.

I'm very lucky that when I had a grease fire a few months ago, my brain immediately remembered "don't use water!" If i learned that only recently, I'd probably be pretty crispy.

As an offshoot of this, I've also noticed that I'm more impatient. I can get info IMMEDIATELY which is probably part of why I want EVERYTHING immediately!

Lines at the store bug me so I only shop on-line now. I pay $30 for "extra speed" when I fly Jet Blue. (I also think that this want/drive of immediate access is why some people don't check luggage as opposed to the cost which is what usually gets blamed.)

I'm sure there's more.....
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Old 04-12-2015, 05:38 AM
 
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OP, you might be interested in the book The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to Our Brains.

One part in that book I found really interesting is when he discusses the comparison in our comprehension when we read an article on the internet versus in print. When reading online, there's possible videos to watch, as well as hyperlinks sprinkled throughout the text. They found that each time we come across a hyperlink, for instance, our brain has to make a decision: do I click or not? And all that lowers our capacity to focus on what we're reading, even if we're not aware of it. (I think it has to do with working memory.) So people who read the article online scored much lower on comprehension than people who read the article in print.

This is interesting. I wonder how it's affecting our impulse control and concentration?
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Old 04-12-2015, 08:43 AM
 
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Default Do New Age Sevices Change Us?

Yes.

We get dependent on them and do lose some skills we had before TV, the Internet (social media?), smart phones, etc.

Without them we would have to go to libraries and buy multi-volume encyclopedias and spend quality time with our families. (god no!). And communicate in R/T (real time).
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Some people like math, I myself have done quite well in my life with basic math.

~ Do you realize the role chemistry plays in your life ❓
~ Do you realize the role astrophysics plays in your life❓
~ Do you realize the role particle physics plays in your life❓
You've proven my point. It is 100% acceptable that an individual chooses to not learn math. It's your life.

However, we cannot deny that advanced math still exists all around us. To your point, yes, chemistry and physics play parts in our lives also. That's why I educate myself in such topics.
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Old 04-12-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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It's just that different mental talents and skills are needed now, not that there are fewer total or that our brains are atrophying. However that will be a real problem when artificial intelligence will advance to being much greater than human intelligence and knowledge ..... when we can simply say to the air as in Star Trek, "Computer! I need a brief biography of Descartes! Play my favorite songs very low while I listen to it, and display a tour of Jupiter ....... get me in touch with that German dude I met last summer, we'll be speaking in French, which neither of us knows. And tell the kitchen to brew up some Peets coffee, black, hot...... and bring it here."

And then the computer might say something like, "*********, not until you finish that electical wiring project. I'll guide you step by step."

Now that level of technology might very well rot our brains.
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Old 04-12-2015, 04:31 PM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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First of all, I do feel that people are becoming increasingly intellectually lazy. You can see it on this very forum when someone writes a post more than 3 lines long and it's greeted with, "I didn't want to read the whole thing," or "That post was way too long," or "That was a wall of text!"

If you look at the most popular searches on the most popular search engines and you're going to find most people are looking up their favorite celebrities - so they can see what kind of train wreck the lives of their idols have become. Or it's porn.

So, while it is true that we now have the sum of all of Mankind's knowledge at our fingertips, most of us don't use it ... and certainly not for anything truly important or educational.

I've also heard those arguments which claim that kids x number of years ago were taught how to y. Just as I'm sure 100 years ago every boy was taught how to shoe a horse and every girl was taught how to mend a pair of socks.

The point being is that what is considered 'necessary' or 'essential' knowledge changes over the years. I mean, seriously, when will anyone ever have to do long division? During the zombie apocalypse when even the simplest of gadgets no longer function? Mathematics, especially, is a highly perishable skill. If you don't use it, you forget it ... and unless you're one of those people who enjoys solving quadratic equations as a weekend hobby - or have an eidetic memory - there's a better than good chance that you're going to forget how to do those complicated algebra, trig, and calculus problems with 20 steps and instructions to "show your work."

Some math teachers still get some kind of satisfaction in teaching students the hardest, most complicated, and most tedious way to solve various problems and equations. I remember working so hard to master a lengthy way to do a certain problem when, a week later, the teacher says, "Or you can just do this ..." and the problem was done in 3 steps instead of 15. "Oh, I just think you should know how to do it the hard way because then the easy way will be that much easier!"

An education should be somewhat practical and efficient as well as informative. Knowing how to do a problem in 15 steps is something no one will EVER need if there is a way to do it in 3 - no, not even a zombie apocalypse justifies doing things the hard way.

And none of that is truly indicative of the internet and technology making us dumber. What essential skills were required 150 years ago? How to load a musket? How to skin and process deer? How to put a saddle on a horse? How to build a cabin? Obviously we don't think to ourselves, "Gee, ever since we stopped teaching our kids how to saddle a horse, our society has gotten so stupid!"

Quite simply, some of the "old" ways are obsolete - the internet and technology makes the need for long division as archaic and useless as knowing how to load a musket in an age of automatic assault rifles.
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Old 04-12-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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Yeah, knowing how to do useful **** is stupid.
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Old 04-13-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Technology by design makes certain % of the population stupid. It removes the need or understanding of certain fundamentals or knowledge because new technology makes the decisions for us.
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Old 04-13-2015, 03:39 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Excellent post, Shirina.
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.....If you look at the most popular searches on the most popular search engines and you're going to find most people are looking up their favorite celebrities - so they can see what kind of train wreck the lives of their idols have become. Or it's porn.

So, while it is true that we now have the sum of all of Mankind's knowledge at our fingertips, most of us don't use it ... and certainly not for anything truly important or educational.....
Yeah, but it's always been that way outside of colleges. You might be too young to remember the old National Inquirer or Weekly World News tabloids.
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