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Old 01-26-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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The February issue of Scientific American contains an article about a study showing severe brain damage that could be suffered by astronauts in space, from cosmic rays. It is indicated that in an expedition to Mars, 90% of mental capacity might be lost. They say that some of the damage might be repaired after the exposure ended, but much of it might not be. It seems likely the astronauts would be disabled and unable to continue functioning and could not participate in navigating a safe return.

The mechanism for this cerebral disability, is the reduction in number and size of dendritic spines, a type of neural protrusion that is essential for learning and retaining memory.

I wonder how this warning will be accepted by the Scientific World. When I pointed out this danger a few months ago, regarding human travel to the moon, I was given an infraction and my posts about it were removed from this forum. It was as though I had submitted a claim about a myth and I was equated to those who promote a "Flat Earth" belief. Obviously, the time of exposure to cosmic rays would be much shorter on a moon expedition, than on one to Mars. But if this brain damage occurs, there would be some impairment suffered by moon astronauts. Did those who are credited with going to the moon, show any sign of mental impairment on their return?

Follow the link below. Unfortunately, to read the full article, you have to either pick up the paper edition or pay for a digital one. The second link leads to a recent, free-access article about the author, Charles L. Limoli, who has been awarded a grant to conduct further studies.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...mars-missions/

http://www.som.uci.edu/news_releases...ine-Limoli.asp

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Old 01-29-2017, 08:44 PM
 
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This may help explain why frequent tourists are sometimes a bit loopy.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:02 PM
 
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I dont think we want to hear all this do we?

Either it means all the lunar astronauts are now irrepairably damaged by cosmic rays or else it means they didn't go because they are apparently not damaged.

Which one do we believe? [/sarcasm]

There have been alternative theories floating about for ages about the Van Allen radiation belt and how astronauts travelling through that might suffer some damage from the cosmic rays. Maybe this has something to do with the subject of the article ?
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:14 PM
 
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This may help explain why frequent tourists are sometimes a bit loopy.
So do you think that jetliners at 41,000 feet, may be catching enough of those rays, to drop IQ a bit?
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:46 PM
 
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So do you think that jetliners at 41,000 feet, may be catching enough of those rays, to drop IQ a bit?
Well, the number of airline pilots I saw pass through Betty Ford/Hazelden, it's more than just cosmic rays. On a separate note, once a spinning quasar or huge gamma-ray source passes it spray across our planet, you won't be worrying about anything then. Odds? next to nil. Damage? Catastrophic.
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Old 01-30-2017, 01:16 AM
 
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So do you think that jetliners at 41,000 feet, may be catching enough of those rays, to drop IQ a bit?
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Well, the number of airline pilots I saw pass through Betty Ford/Hazelden, it's more than just cosmic rays. On a separate note, once a spinning quasar or huge gamma-ray source passes its spray across our planet, you won't be worrying about anything then. Odds? next to nil. Damage? Catastrophic.
This must not have happened during the last 3.7 billion years, at which point the first evidence of life has been dated. I wonder how many pilots needed that therapy, but never submitted themselves for it?
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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So do you think that jetliners at 41,000 feet, may be catching enough of those rays, to drop IQ a bit?
Not really, the study is likely flawed. However, if someone got an addition to their home or a nice new Tesla, maybe it was worth it. For a few grand you can get most anything published as a scientific paper. There random scientific paper generator, which produced a number of peer reviewed scientific papers containing only gibberish.
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Old 01-30-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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Not really, the study is likely flawed. However, if someone got an addition to their home or a nice new Tesla, maybe it was worth it. For a few grand you can get most anything published as a scientific paper. There random scientific paper generator, which produced a number of peer reviewed scientific papers containing only gibberish.
By the word "there", it appears you meant to use the word, "their". Were you referring to the U of Cal, Irvine, School of Medicine, which published Limoli's research? If so, are you saying that their "random scientific paper generator" publishes only gibberish? is there some agenda of your own, that is in conflict with their findings?

Could you name a few specific papers they published, that were nothing but gibberish? It would be interesting to read them. I imagine that quite a few scientific papers, written for those in their field of study, not for the general public, might seem like gibberish to someone not trained in their subjects.

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Old 01-30-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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By the word "there", it appears you meant to use the word, "their". Were you referring to the U of Cal, Irvine, School of Medicine, which published Limoli's research? If so, are you saying that their "random scientific paper generator" publishes only gibberish? is there some agenda of your own, that is in conflict with their findings?

Could you name a few specific papers they published, that were nothing but gibberish? It would be interesting to read them. I imagine that quite a few scientific papers, written for those in their field of study, not for the general public, might seem like gibberish to someone not trained in their subjects.
I was referring to an impersonal program that generates scientific papers. You can find it here - https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/

If you ever need a paper that on first impression appears scientific but is in reality gibberish this is one way to get it inexpensively.
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Old 01-30-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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I was referring to an impersonal program that generates scientific papers. You can find it here - https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/

If you ever need a paper that on first impression appears scientific but is in reality gibberish this is one way to get it inexpensively.
SCIgen appears to actually be a comedy website for science nerds. Danny Kaye, the comedian whose specialty was double-talk, would have been amused. But do you really think that's where Charles Limoli got his research paper on cosmic rays? Would NASA be giving him 9 million dollars, for more of that?
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