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Old 09-19-2008, 05:22 AM
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Do you think really that this cannot be tested? I'm betting you don't. Your words indicate intelligence, thus I am certain you are aware that this can be tested...really...tell me you lack the mind to come up with an idea how...I doubt you won't do this, because my senses tell me your capable.
I think some of the claims can be tested but not the ones to do with improved moods because you are saying it wont work if we try to do a blind experiment

For example going back to the "I see energy claim", just grab an object which releases it and make a dud that looks just like it. Place it at a distance from the people who will be tested and periodically change them while the subject is in a position that he/she cannot see them to check if the person can tell which one is which for say 100 times. Of course for someone who has the ability to see energy should be able to answer 100% of the time but to make it fair, we do a Chi squared test.

We make our null and alternate hypothesis, now the expected success rate for a person guessing is 50% so from that and our observed values we can just use the formula:

(O-E)^2/E=X^2 degrees of freedom=(2-1)=1

And compare it to the appropriate table.


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Go for it...but make sure the test is set up correctly...this isn't some 1 day process we are talking about...
Me? You want me to carry out the experiments, do the write-up and get pass it through peer-review? Well thanks for the burden but I must decline the offer, I'm just here to share my thoughts.

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NOOOOOOO.....you can take my word for it...I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...because I spin this thing every day...

I see the bending as you say, for about 20 seconds...

But what I am talking about is when you AREN'T spinning at all, and haven't done so for several hours...you see energy and it's not always the same. I have distinguished over 50 different kinds, not just the bending that comes after gazing at this for some time and not just while in the approximation of doing so. You are mistaken.
Eh sure but such a claim still needs to be tested

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Without providing a COMPLETE MAP of the physical process, you shooting blank statements here. Nothing has been proving. I'll tell you this...do you understand how regeneration waves informs cells to repair and perfect? DAMAGE!!! Weight trainers damage their cells, thereby releasing regeneration wave transmissions that inform the body to heal in the damaged area, though the regeneration tends to trickle elsewhere too, thereby increasing health. The same applies to learning...and many other things...

A very little damage (from seeing this spin...very, very little indeed) causes the system to HEAL. Over time...the system changes, in my case, adapts and gains the ability to SEE what you will never see if you don't LOOK. You are missing out...
Well it's good you are looking for explanations at least though really you should save it until the experiments have been made.

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If you don't believe me, go study biology for a couple of years...
Now now, there is no need to be disrespectful but really those years of biology at college were enough for me thank you.

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This is good. It is also correct, though not complete. There is more to this still, even if it where all a mental process, thoughts ARE physical things, they don't exist in some separate world. Though there is more to this then thoughts, layers of spiral light are LITERALLY entering into the brain through the eyes...you really need to at least try to visualize the entire process or else you will never fully understand it. I could go on and on and on, really, but time is limited and I am tired...later.
At least it explains why people would feel better by using it.

What's emitting the light which is entering your eyes btw?
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Old 09-21-2008, 05:04 AM
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I think some of the claims can be tested but not the ones to do with improved moods because you are saying it wont work if we try to do a blind experiment

For example going back to the "I see energy claim", just grab an object which releases it and make a dud that looks just like it. Place it at a distance from the people who will be tested and periodically change them while the subject is in a position that he/she cannot see them to check if the person can tell which one is which for say 100 times. Of course for someone who has the ability to see energy should be able to answer 100% of the time but to make it fair, we do a Chi squared test.

We make our null and alternate hypothesis, now the expected success rate for a person guessing is 50% so from that and our observed values we can just use the formula:

(O-E)^2/E=X^2 degrees of freedom=(2-1)=1

And compare it to the appropriate table.
A very interesting idea. Perhaps it can be done?


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Me? You want me to carry out the experiments, do the write-up and get pass it through peer-review? Well thanks for the burden but I must decline the offer, I'm just here to share my thoughts.


Eh sure but such a claim still needs to be tested
No, I don't want you to do anything that you don't decide for yourself. It is a lot of work, a burden as you say. I can't say what the future will be, regarding how others take interest or not in this. For myself, I have decided to focus more on using it for myself and not losing so much time trying to share what seems to be, for the most part, rather subjective.

If I develop any...superpowers, as you call them, I can't even say for sure if I will simply keep this to myself...most likely. I may still be around, but for the most part I am going to retire to the shadows and work from there.

Such things need to be tested, I agree. The responsibility of finding people to help with the test remains open, I could go anyway with this, within a given set of limitations. I am exploring my options, though for now, I will be focusing on myself. We'll let the future sort itself out.

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Well it's good you are looking for explanations at least though really you should save it until the experiments have been made.
Agreed.

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Now now, there is no need to be disrespectful but really those years of biology at college were enough for me thank you.
My apologies if I was offensive, I did not mean it in such a manner. You have a remarkable mind, I am impressed that your able to talk with me about this, and your insights are valuable.

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At least it explains why people would feel better by using it.

What's emitting the light which is entering your eyes btw?

There are different ways to set this up, one way or another I will focus on getting some of the simpler instruments within my reach set up to experiment with.

As to the light entering the eyes:

There is direct or indirect emissions involved. Direct means that there is a luminescent quality projecting the light directly, such as a light bulb behind the media, or a glow board. A glass wheel with a candle behind it would also have some of this quality.

The indirect means reflected, that is, that light from outside the source shines upon the source (the media) and as the molecules absorb and expel the energy to keep their basic equilibrium (or we could simply say energy state) intact, they release waves that show the colors and shapes of the patterns as these are then carried to the eyes. The energy is a little more mixed here, as the light that goes into a particle or particle field is not the exact same that comes out. That that comes out tends to stay to a particular wavelength, consistent to the state of the energy matter.

This isn't much different then how we see anything, except that what we are seeing is making a helix through the space where the light travels. If we drew up a conceptual picture of the beam emitted, it would appear as a spiral tunnel with layers where black (absence of light) makes tunnel photo walls from the white or colors. The motion of this beam is not the same as a stationary object, nor an object moving one direction, there for it has different effects as it burns through the eyes, is transmitted into the photo-receptor cells into an electric pulse that conveys the patterns though out regions of the brain. That these shapes within the brain are themselves different then the regular stationary, or directive motions of what can be seen, they effect the system differently as well.

How?

Inconclusive.

There is a physical process involved, there is psychological process involved, a biological process involved...there are many processes involved. No one knows what these are, the short range predictions or easier to pin down then the long range ones. It's easy to say what happens to someone if they use this for 30 days...not much at all. It's extremely difficult to say what happens if someone uses it consistently for 10 years straight.

Again, we'll let time sort these things out for itself.



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Old 08-01-2009, 04:54 AM
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Hello,

I have been without internet for a long time now and recently got my connection back, so I am catching up on old threads. If anyone has any questions or thoughts feel free to post them.

Thanks!


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