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Old 11-14-2017, 03:03 AM
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Climate changes. Always has.
Does man change climate? Perhaps, on a local level.
But not to the extent claimed by the Alarmists.
Nor do their claims of gloom and doom pan out.
Just another scam to "tax air" and skim from the muggles.
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 N, 🌄W
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Climate changes. Always has.
True but never has the temperatures changed at the rate we are now seeing this change occur. That's the important part cherry pickers always over look.

You're simply trying to spread the biggest myth touted by climate deniers.

So why is the myth wrong?

The myth is wrong for two reasons:

First, to infer that humans can't be behind today's climate change because climate changed before humans is bad reasoning (a non-sequitur). Humans are changing the climate today mainly via greenhouse gas emissions, the same mechanism that caused climate change before humans.

Scientific analysis of past climates shows that greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. The evidence for that is spread throughout the geological record. This makes it clear that this time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

Mt Edna in Sicily blows yearly sending millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Now combine this with all the other volcanic activity on Earth. The highest scientific estimate for yearly volcanic CO2 eruptions is 500 Million tons of volcanic CO2 yearly. *This is only 2% of the 30 Billion tons of Human produced CO2*!!!!!

Humans put out 30 Billion tons of CO2 yearly.

How do we know the difference between naturally produced CO2 and human produced CO2?

Volcanic CO2 has its own unique fingerprint as does human produced CO2 via burning coal and oil and gas. Volcanic CO2 is heavier.

We can distinguish between the two when we look at them at the atomic level. The measure amount of human produced CO2 output tallies the true measured concentrations.

It’s clear from the measurements that the over abundant CO2 being measured is human produced.

Second, to imply we have nothing to fear from today's climate change is not borne out by the lessons from rapid climate changes in Earth's past.
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Does man change climate? Perhaps, on a local level.
False. Perhaps you should take the time to educate yourself before making statements that show you don't know what your talking about.

Read the Notice I posted...it's full of actual time-series data that greatly conflicts with your unsubstantiated claims.

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But not to the extent claimed by the Alarmists.
There are no alarmists...that's just your interpretation.
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Nor do their claims of gloom and doom pan out.
Yes they do. Are you not aware of these facts:

1992 the first letter to Humanity was written and some of their concerns where the following:
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They expressed concern about current, impending, or potential damage on planet Earth involving ozone depletion, freshwater availability, marine life depletion, ocean dead zones, forest loss, biodiversity destruction, climate change, and continued human population growth. They proclaimed that fundamental changes were urgently needed to avoid the consequences our present course would bring.
In fact the only issue addressed from the 1992 letter to Humanity was the stabilizing of the hole in our Ozone that was caused by chlorofluorocarbon. Scientists credit that progress to the phasing out of chlorofluorocarbons — chemicals once used in refrigerators, air conditioners and aerosol cans that trigger reactions in the atmosphere to break down ozone.

I supposed those scientists were just being "alarmists" when they raised the concern for the widening hole in our protective ozone layer.

Fast forward 25 years later...Humanity has failed to address the issues and now we have the following problems that were mentioned 25 years ago.
  • a current trajectory of potentially catastrophic climate change due to rising GHGs from burning fossil fuels,
  • deforestation and agricultural production—particularly from farming ruminants for meat consumption
  • we have unleashed a mass extinction event, the sixth in roughly 540 million years, wherein many current life forms could be annihilated or at least committed to extinction by the end of this century
  • the human population, describing how our large numbers—swelled by another 2 billion people since 1992, a 35 percent increase—exert stresses on Earth that can overwhelm other efforts to realize a sustainable future
  • Humanity is pushing Earth’s ecosystems beyond their capacities to support the web of life
  • Since 1992 annual carbon dioxide emissions have increased by 62 percent.
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Just another scam to "tax air" and skim from the muggles.
You simply don't know what you are talking about.

Perhaps you should take a moment to educate yourself on the actual situation. You appear to have a lot of misconceptions and are missing a lot of facts.

World Scientists’ Warning to Humanity: A Second Notice

When we have an established emergent scientific truth, it is true whether or not you want to believe it.

The sooner people like you understand this, the faster we can get on with the political conversations about how to solve the problems that face us. Every minute a person is in denial, they are delaying the political solution that should have been established years ago.

As a voter, as a citizen, you will be faced with issues that require scientific literacy to fully understand the impact of the issue, isn’t’ it worth it to become scientifically literate so that you can think about these issues and act intelligently upon them?

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Old 12-21-2017, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Boston
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In today's NYT, September 24, 2017, there is a piece on climate change in which commonly asked questions are asked and then answered. For instance:





https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...tionfront&_r=0

The science of climate change is settled. For anyone interested in an easy to understand primer on Climate Change and the assorted issues involved this is a good place to start.
Fake science.
Science doesn't work by consensus.
That's a fallacy ad populum.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Climate changes. Always has.
Does man change climate? Perhaps, on a local level.
But not to the extent claimed by the Alarmists.
Nor do their claims of gloom and doom pan out.
Just another scam to "tax air" and skim from the muggles.
Well yeh, there will always be some pathetic souls who think they are God and want to direct the world about.
It's just another power grab.
CS Lewis predicted this decades ago.
You will notice a certain political bent.

https://youtu.be/FPeyJvXU68k
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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Well yeh, there will always be some pathetic souls who think they are God and want to direct the world about.
There will always be scientifically illiterate folks who join the anti-science group and instead think that a god rules the world. Have you noticed that the majority of the folks who are climate change deniers are those who lack science literacy? Makes sense to me.

The USA seems to be going backwards due to an abundance of magical thinking and a lack of trust in science. With large numbers of people rejecting the theory of evolution and climate change, a little more "faith" in science would not hurt the US at all.
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It's just another power grab.
Exactly what power do you perceive is being grabbed?
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CS Lewis predicted this decades ago.
Why should we care what a Christian apologist and fiction writer thinks about science? He doesn't practice it and he doesn't understand it. Lewis is just fear mongering. CS Lewis might have been a creative literary genius, but he was otherwise ignorant.
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You will notice a certain political bent.
I think the credibility of this video is largely relative to the belief systems and presuppositions and prejudices of those who promote it.

I'm also certain that the disabled ratings in no way relate to the credibility of this video.
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Old 12-25-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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May this Christmas season bring happiness to all of us in this forum and end all the arguing about a climate that has always changed.
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Old 12-25-2017, 09:41 PM
 
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Thanks Ray,

The only folks arguing are the deniers. There really is no reason to argue about solid data. Human caused climate change is not up for debate...the data is there and you can't argue away solid data.
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Old 12-27-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Thanks Ray,

The only folks arguing are the deniers. There really is no reason to argue about solid data. Human caused climate change is not up for debate...the data is there and you can't argue away solid data.
Just relax and enjoy this period of global warming. It's better than freezing to death

The climate has and will always change, humans or not. Even here in Alaska the remains of old forests are found under the ice, so sometime in the past it must have been pretty warm on this side of the pond.
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Old 12-27-2017, 11:02 PM
 
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Just relax and enjoy this period of global warming. It's better than freezing to death
Well global warming will contribute to some areas experiencing colder times...in fact we just had snow in Houston which is not the norm.
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The climate has and will always change, humans or not.
The climate has actually remained relatively stable over the past 10,000 years...until humans came along and established themselves in this stable climate. Now our era of climate stability is coming to an end.

You are spreading a myth when you say climate has changed before therefore there is no need to be concerned about what we are seeing today.

The myth is wrong for two reasons:
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First, to infer that humans can't be behind today's climate change because climate changed before humans is bad reasoning (a non-sequitur). Humans are changing the climate today mainly via greenhouse gas emissions, the same mechanism that caused climate change before humans.

Second, to imply we have nothing to fear from today's climate change is not borne out by the lessons from rapid climate changes in Earth's past.
Source: What the science says...

Here is some food for thought

We struggled to survive when global temperatures were 4.3 degrees colder than the late 20th century average, and we'll struggle just the same if we let Earth warm by just 1 or 2 degrees in the coming decades.
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Nah! I worry the least about such things. But who knows? Maybe I will when I have to cross that bridge. Well, I imagine that when that time comes I could let my butler, or maybe my "pleasure android," carry me across. Meanwhile I just enjoy this cycle of climate change, and work 60 hours a week to take care of my family.

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