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Old 06-18-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Your internet and your wifi may be the same speed. But not your ethernet. Even a really old school router can handle 100Mbps and these days, 1 Gbps is sort of standard. The difference being that if your computer had a local copy of a video located on its hard drive, that computer could stream that video to another device in your house (a roku) at 10 Mbps while also downloading another video at 70Mbps. So your router is actually moving 80 Mbps (or more). And while all of that is going on, maybe another computer on the network is transferring a file at 50 Mbps to a laptop.

Your ethernet handles a lot more than your internet speed.

As for your wifi, if your signal strength is good enough, it will nearly match your internet speed.
I don't know what you mean, I thought Ethernet meant a wired connection to the modem/router, and it has nothing to do with cellular rates.
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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So why are cellular data rates so much more expensive? Do they cost more to produce or provide?
Cellular data is licensed spectrum while wifi is unlicensed spectrum. At the end of 2013 consumption rates were in the ratio 28 to 1 for wifi vs cellular.
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There are a lot of good, detailed answers in the thread, but the simplest one is that there is a lot more bandwidth available in a fiber optic cable than there is on the average cell site. Greater scarcity = higher prices

Hopefully the advent of 5G wireless service will narrow that gap and we'll see a corresponding price drop after it is implemented nationally and used widely. Google seems to think 5G will affect the market. They've cited 5G wireless as a reason that they're not going to expand Google Fiber into more new cities.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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There are a lot of good, detailed answers in the thread, but the simplest one is that there is a lot more bandwidth available in a fiber optic cable than there is on the average cell site. Greater scarcity = higher prices
A number of years ago, one analyst concluded that there was roughly 40 times as much bandwidth available to wifi users as to cellular users. He estimates that the average price for data was 40 times as much.

Now obviously that ratio is somewhat dated. Cellular data is much cheaper than it was five years ago .

AT&T seems to be the market leader for people who want to use just cellular data. The pricing is more reasonable for single person households.

AT&T sells an unlimited data plan with 33 TV channels for $70 and options like HBO. When you are at home you will have to use a wired connection to watch on your home television since you won't have internet at home to use wireless connections like Chromecast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEVaGPV7WU

The AT&T Premium for $80 with give you 15 GB of hotspot for your laptop, plus higher resolution video.
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Old 07-13-2018, 01:06 AM
 
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If everyone tried streaming netflix on these connections they would quickly saturate and quality of service would go down. 5G will solve a lot of this.. it will be fast enough to give more than enough bandwidth for everyone that needs it.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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A number of years ago, one analyst concluded that there was roughly 40 times as much bandwidth available to wifi users as to cellular users. He estimates that the average price for data was 40 times as much.
The difference is that Wifi can sort of be treated as a microcosm for cell service. Wifi from a data perspective is simply a "heavy localized cell service" with less users and dedicated bandwidth. And there can be another "cell" next door to you with its own users that also has its own dedicated bandwidth. And these heavily localized cell users are located so close to the cell tower (their router) that it takes less power to transmit and receive data from the device back to the tower.

So yeah, ther's going to be much more bandwidth available for Wifi (even if the ratio is different now) than for true cell service.

I would like to say that the main difference in regards to data between cell service and wifi service is that cell service is designed to hand off your connection from one tower to the next as you move. Whereas wifi isn't really there yet.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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I don't know what you mean, I thought Ethernet meant a wired connection to the modem/router, and it has nothing to do with cellular rates.
I'm not talking cellular either.

Internet speeds are between your router and your ISP. It's the maximum speeds you'll see to the outside world (think download speed of a movie).

Ethernet speeds are between wired devices in your network. These can be much higher than your internet speeds. If you wanted to transfer a file between one wired device and another wired device, the bottleneck is commonly the devices themselves, commonly the rate at which the storage can be read from and written to.

Wifi speeds are between wired devices and your wireless router. These are limited by distance between your device and the router as well as obstacles in the way (walls and floors) and interference (microwaves). In many scenarios, the wireless speed in your house (wifi, not cellular) tend to actually correlate well with your internet speed. So there's this belief by some people that your if you can get "better wifi" it means you'll get better internet.

I was trying to show that isn't the case. All "better wifi" gives you is a better connection to your router. If your router is only getting 10Mbps from your ISP and your wifi connection is already giving you 20 Mbps to the router, a better router does very little.

Now, if you have many wireless devices connected to your router, a better wifi connection will make a difference. If your roku is streaming wirelessly from Netflix and is eating up all 15Mbps of your wireless bandwidth and someone else in the house wants to stream a movie stored locally on your network at 4Mbps, but your wifi connection only supports 15 Mbps, you'll both buffer and have interrupted streams.
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