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Old 07-09-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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Iím not sure why anyone would want to do so, scientist or not. The idea has zero appeal to me.
Surely you can see the potential ways they could profit off such a technology? Armies could just use clones to fight wars, factories and industry could just use clones to do work, etc etc.
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Old 07-09-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Old 07-09-2018, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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Surely you can see the potential ways they could profit off such a technology? Armies could just use clones to fight wars, factories and industry could just use clones to do work, etc etc.
"Just" clones? A human clone is an individual human being. Are you seriously saying that society should regard identical twins (or triplets or quadruplets...) as disposable - that keeping one copy is all that is needed, the others can be used as slaves?
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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"Just" clones? A human clone is an individual human being. Are you seriously saying that society should regard identical twins (or triplets or quadruplets...) as disposable - that keeping one copy is all that is needed, the others can be used as slaves?
A clone would not be the same thing as a twin, triplet, etc. Yes I do believe that is how clones would be used.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Surely you can see the potential ways they could profit off such a technology? Armies could just use clones to fight wars, factories and industry could just use clones to do work, etc etc.
My remark was directed to a scientist wanting to clone himself. I can see scientists in immoral governments being ordered to clone some aberrant super soldier for instance but as for a scientist wanting to clone him/herself, I don't know, I just don’t see the motivation.

Also, as mentioned above, cloning an intelligent organism like a human, is no way to guarantee you will end up with a similar type of person. It’s almost a certainty that one would not. There are just too many internal and external influences for everything to end up exactly the same.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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A clone would not be the same thing as a twin, triplet, etc. Yes I do believe that is how clones would be used.
An identical twin is indeed a clone. A clone has the same genome as another individual. The difference is that identical twins are gestated at the same time, while a clone is gestated at a different time from the individual whose genome is being cloned. Individuals with the same genome are not exactly the same, because they each have a separate history - even identical twins sharing a uterus will still have different histories.

Regardless, a cloned human being artificially derived from adult germ or somatic cells and not arising naturally from a split zygote is still a full human being. I really can't see the return of overt slavery any time soon.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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An identical twin is indeed a clone. A clone has the same genome as another individual. The difference is that identical twins are gestated at the same time, while a clone is gestated at a different time from the individual whose genome is being cloned. Individuals with the same genome are not exactly the same, because they each have a separate history - even identical twins sharing a uterus will still have different histories.

Regardless, a cloned human being artificially derived from adult germ or somatic cells and not arising naturally from a split zygote is still a full human being. I really can't see the return of overt slavery any time soon.
Exactly itís more likely for synthetic androids to be the next slaves not human clones.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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So clones are identical twins. So a genius could produce another genius or is that so? The environment a clone would grow up in is as important as DNA and may not necessarily produce an identical intellect or personality.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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Does a cloned being retain the memories and experiences of it's original or does it start out as a blank page?
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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Im sure we all wanted a bc stewie clone.



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