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Old 07-12-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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I’m not sure why anyone would want to do so, scientist or not. The idea has zero appeal to me.

Frying my brain with bath salts has no appeal to me... and yet many do it.

I can see the appeal of cloning a human. Imagine releasing an Einstein, Newton, Washington, Bonaparte, Luther, Galileo or the likes into society (unbeknownst to society or the clone, of course). It'd certainly be interesting to see whether their genius was so universal that they could rise above their original time and circumstances or whether it was simply a combination of undoubted intelligence coupled with fortuitous circumstances. You can't say your mad scientist that lives in all of us isn't the slightest bit curious.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Does a cloned being retain the memories and experiences of it's original or does it start out as a blank page?
Oh come on, a cloned human starts as a infant, poops in a diaper for a while, and then has to be raised and civilized like any other child until they reach maturity.

These threads are almost as nave and ridiculous as the "AI" discussions on CD.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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...a cloned human starts as a infant, poops in a diaper for a while, and then has to be raised and civilized like any other child until they reach maturity.
Then what would be the point of cloning humans?

They may be genetically identical, but would grow up to be an entirely different person.

The original may be a genius, but the clone could grow up to be an idiot.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:13 PM
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Anyone suggesting that cloning 99-100% of someone's DNA is possible? Does anyone that delusional and laughable want to step forward?

Even if it was possible - LMAO - what makes a "scientist" so special and hot-stuff for the assignment?
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Old 07-13-2018, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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A clone would not be the same thing as a twin, triplet, etc. Yes I do believe that is how clones would be used.
They would have the same rights as any other human being. We're not going to treat sentient beings as slaves, at least not in developed countries. We'll have robots for that, at least until they turn on us and destroy our species, which is actually a very real possibility if we are not careful.

If you enjoy movies on this subject, a movie that was surprisingly ahead of it's time "The 6th Day" is one that I enjoy. I could see this as some day being how it works. If the tech is developed the rich will use it first and it will gradually trickle down.
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Anyone suggesting that cloning 99-100% of someone's DNA is possible? Does anyone that delusional and laughable want to step forward?

Even if it was possible - LMAO - what makes a "scientist" so special and hot-stuff for the assignment?
Well, considering they saw the need to create laws against such a thing, they must have had good reason to do that, in other words, if there is no threat of someone doing this thing, there would be no reason to even create a law against it...it would sort of be like creating a law against humans sprouting wings and flying, its not possible to begin with...so no need to create a law banning it.

Laws are created when there is a problem, some threat that is probable.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Well, considering they saw the need to create laws against such a thing, they must have had good reason to do that, in other words, if there is no threat of someone doing this thing, there would be no reason to even create a law against it...it would sort of be like creating a law against humans sprouting wings and flying, its not possible to begin with...so no need to create a law banning it.

Laws are created when there is a problem, some threat that is probable.
Reproductive cloning is a very inefficient technique and most cloned animal embryos cannot develop into healthy individuals. For instance, Dolly was the only clone to be born live out of a total of 277 cloned embryos. This very low efficiency, combined with safety concerns, presents a serious obstacle to the application of reproductive cloning.
Researchers have observed some adverse health effects in sheep and other mammals that have been cloned. These include an increase in birth size and a variety of defects in vital organs, such as the liver, brain and heart. Other consequences include premature aging and problems with the immune system. Another potential problem centers on the relative age of the cloned cell's chromosomes. As cells go through their normal rounds of division, the tips of the chromosomes, called telomeres, shrink. Over time, the telomeres become so short that the cell can no longer divide and, consequently, the cell dies. This is part of the natural aging process that seems to happen in all cell types. As a consequence, clones created from a cell taken from an adult might have chromosomes that are already shorter than normal, which may condemn the clones' cells to a shorter life span. Indeed, Dolly, who was cloned from the cell of a 6-year-old sheep, had chromosomes that were shorter than those of other sheep her age. Dolly died when she was six years old, about half the average sheep's 12-year lifespan
.https://www.genome.gov/25020028/cloning-fact-sheet/
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Oak Ridge, NC
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Well, I don't ever like the idea of someone playing God and creating humans in a laboratory. On the other hand, let's have fun with this. Could you imagine scientists recreating certain celebrities? Actors? Actresses? Or, pro athletes? Or musical artists? Hollywood, after all, has dabbled in CGI where they can make the actor or actress appear much younger. The sequel to Tron comes to mind, as well as Rogue One (with Princess Leia.) Think of it like this. Imagine being able to hear new music from the younger Beatles again, or from clones of your favorite artist or band that has kind of aged out. I imagine it would be tough for that celebrity - unless they got certain rights or a % of payment from the work that the clones do. They could, essentially, sit back and retire to some far off island while seeing their clones continue their work. Sounds creepy and fantastic all at the same time.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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I want to see a woolly mammoth in a zoo. Supposedly the few intact preserved specimens have enough intact DNA that it might be feasible. DNA transfer to elephant egg and sperm cells, implanted into surrogate-mother elephant wherein it matures to full term. Who knows, might well happen within my lifetime.


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Just read that a dog has been cloned 49 times:

World's most cloned dog 'Miracle Milly' has been copied 49 times





Great. 49 more yappy little ankle-biters. Just what the world needs. :facepalm:
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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I want to see a woolly mammoth in a zoo. Supposedly the few intact preserved specimens have enough intact DNA that it might be feasible. DNA transfer to elephant egg and sperm cells, implanted into surrogate-mother elephant wherein it matures to full term. Who knows, might well happen within my lifetime.









Great. 49 more yappy little ankle-biters. Just what the world needs. :facepalm:
I read something recently about cloning dinosaurs, some say it would easier to manipulate the DNA of a large bird species, and eventually they would get 'something' that is basically a dinosaur, it wouldnt really be a cloned dinosaur, but it would be a living thing that looks exactly like one.
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