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Old 10-14-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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It seems to me that the U.S. DoD has taken over many subfields of STEM in the U.S. I have some former colleagues who are being forced out of electrical engineering and applied physics because they are not a U.S. citizen and thus cannot get a security clearance. I myself have noticed that an alarming percent of STEM jobs in the U.S. involve defense-related work, especially in the physical sciences. I don’t get why no one wants to do engineering anymore unless it can be used to fight a war.

I also feel terrible for a former roommate of mine who is not a U. S. Citizen and majored in aerospace engineering. Though I have not talked to him in years, I imagine he is in for a really rough ride and probably has as tough a time getting a job as someone with no college degree. Am I the only one that thinks something has gone terribly wrong?
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Old 10-16-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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I dont get why no one wants to do engineering anymore unless it can be used to fight a war.

It comes down to cost whether it's military related or not. I don't know how much has been spent on fusion research but it's billions. This is high risk research as far as private companies would be concerned and no private energy company is going to put in that investment.



Regardless of whether of it's military research, NASA, National labs or whatever that tech always filters down to the public eventually.
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Old 10-22-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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It comes down to cost whether it's military related or not. I don't know how much has been spent on fusion research but it's billions. This is high risk research as far as private companies would be concerned and no private energy company is going to put in that investment.



Regardless of whether of it's military research, NASA, National labs or whatever that tech always filters down to the public eventually.
Except for the water powered ICE. lol
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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It comes down to cost whether it's military related or not. I don't know how much has been spent on fusion research but it's billions. This is high risk research as far as private companies would be concerned and no private energy company is going to put in that investment.



Regardless of whether of it's military research, NASA, National labs or whatever that tech always filters down to the public eventually.
Not all the time!

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Old 11-06-2018, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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I started university in 1956, eager for a career in the physical sciences. A month into my second year, the word Sputnik was added th the American vocabulary, and literally within days, it became clear that the rest of my life had become irreversibly politicized and militarized.

That's the moment it all started, folks. By the end of the year, I had competely soured on science, an was in a humanities major'
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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There's probably a selection effect at work due to globalization -- more and more tech jobs now are located outside the U.S. for financial reasons, whereas defense-related work will mainly stay here.
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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Still vast numbers of engineers engaged in non-defense-related engineering in the US. Can you say "automotive, energy, commercial aviation, and consumer goods"?
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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Still vast numbers of engineers engaged in non-defense-related engineering in the US. Can you say "automotive, energy, commercial aviation, and consumer goods"?
This. I only know a few PhDs who went into anything defense-related. Most went into private industry and work on things that have nothing to do with defense.
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Old Today, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 N, 🌄W
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I started university in 1956, eager for a career in the physical sciences. A month into my second year, the word Sputnik was added th the American vocabulary, and literally within days, it became clear that the rest of my life had become irreversibly politicized and militarized.

That's the moment it all started, folks. By the end of the year, I had competely soured on science, an was in a humanities major'
I would be kicking myself hard for allowing politics to ruin my quest for a science degree. Nothing could sour me on science. All science is is a process for understanding the natural world. It gives us knowledge of the physical and natural world.
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Old Today, 02:39 PM
 
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DOD isn't the only place to work for engineers; but they consistently get more and more funding, so they can hire and do whatever they want.
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