U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Science and Technology
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-04-2018, 01:59 PM
 
241 posts, read 36,416 times
Reputation: 83

Advertisements

does the discovery of cheddar man illustrate the absurdity of the term race?

is there really a thing termed a race? the discovery of cheddar man quashed the assumption that the early britons were fair skinned. do you think that the notion of the term race is absurd due to this discovery? one can assume that people migrated from high melanin regions to areas that were less conducive to melanin, which evolved people to be fair skinned over time

it is commonly accepted that all modern humans derived from africa; therefore, is the notion of a race kind of absurd, possibly ignorant?

here is one article that ties one migration to the modern plethora of ethnicities that we know now:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/s...n-history.html

here articles excerpts of cheddar man discovery:






articles that contain excerpts of cheddar man:


https://www.theguardian.com/science/...alysis-reveals


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...-a8198066.html


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42939192

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/w...eton-skin.html


excuse unedited grammar

Last edited by spiros7; 11-04-2018 at 02:09 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-05-2018, 11:57 AM
 
27,048 posts, read 38,303,229 times
Reputation: 34997
At some point in the future (If we survive that long) everyone will be the same color so "race" will be an necessary term.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
3,308 posts, read 1,125,428 times
Reputation: 4366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek_Freek View Post
At some point in the future (If we survive that long) everyone will be the same color so "race" will be an necessary term.
Probably nonsense, but never mind that.

For the duration we will have people who look considerably different from other people, so we need to cope with this superficial evidencing of "race" whether it represents squat on a genetic level.

It's perhaps one of the worthiest of goals to get to a point where genetic differences in appearance are merely interesting curiosities and not a factor in how we judge each other, but stomping and screaming that 'there ain't no setch animal' does not move things forward.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
4,065 posts, read 1,816,940 times
Reputation: 13958
What it illustrates; is the absurdity of the phrases: "science-based medicine", "scientific consensus" & "scientific proof", when used to quash a large volume of anecdotal evidence.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
16,933 posts, read 51,582,747 times
Reputation: 27931
does the discovery of cheddar man illustrate the absurdity of the term race?

is there really a thing termed a race? the discovery of cheddar man quashed the assumption that the early britons were fair skinned. do you think that the notion of the term race is absurd due to this discovery? one can assume that people migrated from high melanin regions to areas that were less conducive to melanin, which evolved people to be fair skinned over time

it is commonly accepted that all modern humans derived from africa; therefore, is the notion of a race kind of absurd, possibly ignorant?


In a word, no It pays to understand what you are debating before entering a debate.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race

Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3)
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

As you can see, the word "race" is again another word from the vulgate. It has one definition that relates it to taxonomy, but has many others as well. What people primarily dislike is its use as a pejorative, which is more common in people who have little understanding of the word. What I also find troubling is the inconsistency of use. While Jews are often referred to as a race, he genetic linking to Semitic origin is simply not there in a large portion of that population, yet I have not heard of anyone speak of a race of Catholics or Baptists.

The last definition quoted stands from historical use (again, the vulgate), but is more accurately the phenotype. Phenotypes most certainly do exist, but to propose that porky posting phobic pundits ponder and parse phenotype is pointless. Their vocabulary skills are stretched near the limit at four letter words.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 06:08 PM
 
241 posts, read 36,416 times
Reputation: 83
Quote:
Originally Posted by harry chickpea View Post
does the discovery of cheddar man illustrate the absurdity of the term race?

is there really a thing termed a race? the discovery of cheddar man quashed the assumption that the early britons were fair skinned. do you think that the notion of the term race is absurd due to this discovery? one can assume that people migrated from high melanin regions to areas that were less conducive to melanin, which evolved people to be fair skinned over time

it is commonly accepted that all modern humans derived from africa; therefore, is the notion of a race kind of absurd, possibly ignorant?


In a word, no It pays to understand what you are debating before entering a debate.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race

Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3)
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

As you can see, the word "race" is again another word from the vulgate. It has one definition that relates it to taxonomy, but has many others as well. What people primarily dislike is its use as a pejorative, which is more common in people who have little understanding of the word. What I also find troubling is the inconsistency of use. While Jews are often referred to as a race, he genetic linking to Semitic origin is simply not there in a large portion of that population, yet I have not heard of anyone speak of a race of Catholics or Baptists.

The last definition quoted stands from historical use (again, the vulgate), but is more accurately the phenotype. Phenotypes most certainly do exist, but to propose that porky posting phobic pundits ponder and parse phenotype is pointless. Their vocabulary skills are stretched near the limit at four letter words.

i know what defines a culture, but i am unsure of what defines a race. unless they have dark hair, they cannot be derivatives of the country's culture? . it seems absurd


i came up with a conclusion: melanin is the derivation of race

if you review history, you will see that there were many empires throughout the globe that reached its own unique levels of sophistication


the mayans were great astronomers; the greeks created western civilization; sumerians created mathematics ; the ancient egyptians etc etc

the sophistication of various past empires prove that the initial concepts of race and eugenics was not only ignorant, but quite fallible in regards to human intelligence


articles:.

https://www.livescience.com/55837-ma...culations.html

https://www.livescience.com/27853-wh...nted-zero.html

Last edited by spiros7; 11-05-2018 at 06:58 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 06:29 PM
 
27,048 posts, read 38,303,229 times
Reputation: 34997
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietude View Post
Probably nonsense, but never mind that.

For the duration we will have people who look considerably different from other people, so we need to cope with this superficial evidencing of "race" whether it represents squat on a genetic level.

It's perhaps one of the worthiest of goals to get to a point where genetic differences in appearance are merely interesting curiosities and not a factor in how we judge each other, but stomping and screaming that 'there ain't no setch animal' does not move things forward.
Not nonsense at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
3,308 posts, read 1,125,428 times
Reputation: 4366
Quote:
Originally Posted by coschristi View Post
What it illustrates; is the absurdity of the phrases: "science-based medicine", "scientific consensus" & "scientific proof", when used to quash a large volume of anecdotal evidence.
Right. Herbal supplements forever, dude.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 06:30 PM
 
27,048 posts, read 38,303,229 times
Reputation: 34997
This has turned into a nonsense thread in record time.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2018, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
3,308 posts, read 1,125,428 times
Reputation: 4366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tek_Freek View Post
Not nonsense at all.
Yes it is. The idea that every differentiated set of physical characteristics is going to cross-breed into identical slush is hilariously nutty and linear-minded. You've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek or other shows full of what TV Tropes calls, I think, "Planet of Hats" - every person on a planet is of identical appearance, dress, culture, religion, language...

Earth is vast and diverse enough that differing superficial characteristics - let's call them "races" for short - will persist as long as there is a planetwide population. We are not all going to look like the browner takes on Jesus (or whatever) in 100, 1,000, or 10,000 years. Only when/if humans are reduced to a small and geographically compact population could a single 'blenderized' morphology result.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Science and Technology
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top