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Old 11-17-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Wow - even more than I was aware of.



What if the Placebo Effect Isn’t a Trick?
New research is zeroing in on a biochemical basis for the placebo effect — possibly opening a Pandora’s box for Western medicine
By Gary Greenberg

Give people a sugar pill, they have shown, and those patients — especially if they have one of the chronic, stress-related conditions that register the strongest placebo effects and if the treatment is delivered by someone in whom they have confidence — will improve. Tell someone a normal milkshake is a diet beverage, and his gut will respond as if the drink were low fat. Take athletes to the top of the Alps, put them on exercise machines and hook them to an oxygen tank, and they will perform better than when they are breathing room air — even if room air is all that’s in the tank. Wake a patient from surgery and tell him you’ve done an arthroscopic repair, and his knee gets better even if all you did was knock him out and put a couple of incisions in his skin. Give a drug a fancy name, and it works better than if you don’t.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/07/m...-medicine.html
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Old 11-17-2018, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Yes, I read this last week. What stuck in my mind was how much of it boils down to "If the patient believes it cost a bundle, it must be better than any low-cost treatment."

So if someone goes in for treatment of a placebo-susceptible condition, and the cost is nickel and dime... will it work? Is it then ethical to charge exorbitant amounts for sugar pills or their equivalent?
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Old Today, 06:31 AM
 
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One thing that isn't sufficiently reported is the percentage of conditions that get better all on their own, with neither placebo nor actual treatment.


Obviously things like a broken leg or a heart attack don't fall into this category, but a large number of non-life-threatening chronic issues resolve on their own.
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Old Today, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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One thing that isn't sufficiently reported is the percentage of conditions that get better all on their own, with neither placebo nor actual treatment.

Obviously things like a broken leg or a heart attack don't fall into this category, but a large number of non-life-threatening chronic issues resolve on their own.
Well, even more obviously, placebos only work by letting issues resolve on their own; it's all about convincing the body and mind to do the job without any real assistance.

There is a middle ground, though, between "doing nothing because the problem will cure itself" and giving active medical treatment - and that's the thorny thicket of placebo and "wellness thinking" and other treatment that actually add nothing to the process.
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