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Old 06-24-2019, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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So, the takeaway here is that if you believe it, there must be something to it; if they believe it, it's utter nonsense. Got it.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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If the world was flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge by now.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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A big part of the flat earth society is exposing how people believe things without really knowing why. That is the actual joke going on here.

Apart from photographs, space flights etc that would count as direct observation, how many methods of determining the earth is round and its subsequent diameter do you think the average person knows? Probably zero.

Yet the ancient greeks knew it was round and were pretty close on its diameter, and all they needed were two people, a sunny day, and bit of simple math.

When science devolves in to competing beliefs without any real understanding of math or physics, you end up with all sorts of problems, from flat earths to climate change.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Fact. Those who have acquired status due to the authority of their education & occupation ... will be the last to question the authority of government mediated scientific agencies. Despite that they may possess the knowledge & intellect; they will not critically think a controversy or conspiracy theory through.

Seriously, has science never been politically or financially motivated? Have politicians & spokespeople never been dishonest? Governments have never been corrupt?
So, that's not a fact. My experience on CD is that 90% of the time when someone starts a sentence with "Fact:", it's just their opinion and some tenuous dot-connecting.

The second part is a bit of a fallacy. Government backed science doesn't need to be completely and totally devoid of all financial/political motivation to be far more pure than the alternatives. Disbelieving NIH because PhilipMorris told you so was a fatal mistake for millions over a solid 50 year timespan. Now we have people disbelieving the NOAA because Exxon told them so.

It's possible that the people who acquired their knowledge/status through education and occupation naturally align more with the government because the government actually knows what it is talking about far more than it gets credit for. People who acquired their knowledge/status from other sources not including education and occupation should generally be ignored.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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If the world was flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge by now.
For the win.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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A big part of the flat earth society is exposing how people believe things without really knowing why. That is the actual joke going on here.

Apart from photographs, space flights etc that would count as direct observation, how many methods of determining the earth is round and its subsequent diameter do you think the average person knows? Probably zero.

Yet the ancient greeks knew it was round and were pretty close on its diameter, and all they needed were two people, a sunny day, and bit of simple math.

When science devolves in to competing beliefs without any real understanding of math or physics, you end up with all sorts of problems, from flat earths to climate change.
That's the reason I am curious to know how these people look like in real life because they seem to be absolutely iliterate in physics and maths. Probably most of them didn't study a STEM degree, but what is worse, you don't even need to study a STEM degree to realize that Flat Earth thing is just an aberration. At least here, using what you have learned in high school, you can easily understand why Earth can't be flat. In my opinion, they seem to lack the basic knowledge of mathematics and trigonometry. They are ridiculous and I am not surprised everybody laughs at them, at their ignorance.
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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You can't observe it, you can't measure it, you can't analyze it. It's solely dependent on a belief whether you believe or not.




The bible is one of the oldest histories we have based on lot of oral history that went back generations before a lot of it was even written down. Original context and meaning is lost to time and interpretations. As far as the story of the ark, what is the "world"? When that was written the "world" may have only been a few hundred square miles. A great example of something that may have scientific explanation is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, meteor strike. There can be lots of scientific or logical explanations for things in the bible simply because they had no knowledge of what was occurring to accurately explain what happened.
Some native origin stories claim that their people were created by winds, blown out of a hole in the ground. That doesn't mean that, a thousand years later, anybody should be sending their children into situation where such foolishness is presented to them as fact, and raise their children to believe this primitive nonsense. Yet billions of children are exposed to slightly different indoctrinations, all around the world, every day. Because rational, educated adults can explain away the rambling of bronze age scribes, doesn't mean that the tales they told need to be drilled into any modern society, or that civilization benefits because of it.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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As I previously said I'm not going to criticize someone because of their beliefs unless they are outlandish claims like a 6000 year old world. Most of the people that I know that are religious do not interpret the bible literally and accept modern science. You can believe in God and accept modern science.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I think those who are arguing that there's some difference among beliefs in nonsense are biased in favor of their own beliefs and assigning a faulty hierarchy of idiocy to the rest. If you believe aliens visit Earth, you are no smarter, dumber or less gullible than someone who insists Bigfoot exists, or that the world was created in the recent past, or that we're living in a computer simulation, or - yes - that JFK was killed by a huge shadowy conspiracy group, or the non-historical elements of any religion. That it may seem simpler to prove the flatties wrong than to prove there are no aliens driving around in UFOs is of no real consequence.

Belief in the mystical/theological elements of ANY religion is no different from believing the earth is a flat disc held up by giant anthromorphs standing on the hoods of their UFOs.
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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As I previously said I'm not going to criticize someone because of their beliefs unless they are outlandish claims like a 6000 year old world. Most of the people that I know that are religious do not interpret the bible literally and accept modern science. You can believe in God and accept modern science.
George Lemaitre comes to mind. The Belgian priest put forth the idea that universe was expanding even before Edwin Hubble made his famous observation with the telescope. He also came up with the idea of the Big Bang Theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre


And yeah, the classless tend to resort to attacking people who don't believe in what they believe in.
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