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Show me a utility scale PV site on existing surfaces. Don't want this to become a PV debate, but $.03 seems to still be a viable number on Utility Scale ... but https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/su...s%20calculated.
A+ I do not so much see this a Solar v. (whatever).
I see this as Small Scale v. Corporate Utility LARGE Scale.
THAT is the point of (pending?) Death of the Central Plant model.
No one is likely to have a home based Mr. Fusion -- but MILLIONS -- on the way to Hundreds of Millions -- of folks can and are getting local Solar PV -- BEHIND the meter. That means ZERO Cash Flow to the Central Plant.
Which is why the market for 1 Centavo Mr. Fusion may be dead before Mr. Fusion hits the market.
A+ I do not so much see this a Solar v. (whatever).
I see this as Small Scale v. Corporate Utility LARGE Scale.
THAT is the point of (pending?) Death of the Central Plant model.
No one is likely to have a home based Mr. Fusion -- but MILLIONS -- on the way to Hundreds of Millions -- of folks can and are getting local Solar PV -- BEHIND the meter. That means ZERO Cash Flow to the Central Plant.
Which is why the market for 1 Centavo Mr. Fusion may be dead before Mr. Fusion hits the market.
The prices you quote only apply to Utility Scale projects. $.03 is still correct pricing. Residential/commercial is way more expensive.
Trend lines. All downward. Nothing stays static. It is 2021.
We are now doing SMALL design and builds (10 kW) for $1 per Watt.
Where do you think this is going to lead to?
I look at solar as a waste of open spaces. I believe in solar, but not how the media and climate activists see it. It has EXTREMELY limited potential with current technology. That may change and then my opinion would require review.
I am however a big supporter of tidal power, but again... I digress.
However... I'm a ENTHUSIASTIC supporter of FUSION.
I look at solar as a waste of open spaces. I believe in solar, but not how the media and climate activists see it. It has EXTREMELY limited potential with current technology. That may change and then my opinion would require review.
I am however a big supporter of tidal power, but again... I digress.
However... I'm a ENTHUSIASTIC supporter of FUSION.
Funny. Doing some tidal / wave projects, now.
But here is my real question on this (or any other Central Plant Model) -- once most folks have Distributed Renewable -- who will be the customer(s) for the Central Plant(s)?
But here is my real question on this (or any other Central Plant Model) -- once most folks have Distributed Renewable -- who will be the customer(s) for the Central Plant(s)?
Managing cycles and vars become a greater issue with variable power sources. That's just a reality. I prefer to deal with large commercial customers who can manage their own reactive compensation and voltage control.
But here is my real question on this (or any other Central Plant Model) -- once most folks have Distributed Renewable -- who will be the customer(s) for the Central Plant(s)?
You're likely correct on the issue as it relates to the residential consumer, but industrial uses are different.
A large data center uses the electricity equivalent of 80,000 homes. They run 24/7 so I don't think solar alone or renewables alone is the current solution there. Maybe when solar/wind/wave, etc. can be integrated.
Amazon alone, between Amazon retail and Amazon Web Services, has 50 data centers in just three counties in Northern Virginia, where data center land now tops $2M per acre. Two years ago Microsoft paid $90M for 66 acres, and that land rush is starting to bleed over into Md. Not all land is suitable. See this:
You're likely correct on the issue as it relates to the residential consumer, but industrial uses are different.
A large data center uses the electricity equivalent of 80,000 homes. They run 24/7 so I don't think solar alone or renewables alone is the current solution there. Maybe when solar/wind/wave, etc. can be integrated.
Amazon alone, between Amazon retail and Amazon Web Services, has 50 data centers in just three counties in Northern Virginia, where data center land now tops $2M per acre. Two years ago Microsoft paid $90M for 66 acres, and that land rush is starting to bleed over into Md. Not all land is suitable. See this:
Gotta love the name of the company: Quantum Loophole.
Reactive loads present significant issues for solar especially if it's a radial feed. Resistive loads are rarely an issue. Even municipal utilities rarely use reactors or capacitors and will suck the vars out of a larger system. Meeting power factor requirements is a regulated component of service. .85%
You're likely correct on the issue as it relates to the residential consumer, but industrial uses are different.
A large data center uses the electricity equivalent of 80,000 homes. They run 24/7 so I don't think solar alone or renewables alone is the current solution there. Maybe when solar/wind/wave, etc. can be integrated.
Amazon alone, between Amazon retail and Amazon Web Services, has 50 data centers in just three counties in Northern Virginia, where data center land now tops $2M per acre. Two years ago Microsoft paid $90M for 66 acres, and that land rush is starting to bleed over into Md. Not all land is suitable. See this:
Gotta love the name of the company: Quantum Loophole.
Well, "homes" is rather a nonsense measure of Energy or Power, but let's work with what you have?
Your site shown -- 2100 Acres. at 43560 square feet per acre = 91476000 square feet.
20 Watts per square foot is typical current Solar PV.
91476000 square feet at 20 watts per square feet = 1.83E9 Watts. No extra land -- just over this site alone.
At Daytime Production, this site alone could replace 2 entire Nuke Reactors, with just simple Solar PV, ZERO additional land use.
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Meanwhile US Data Centers TOTAL use about about 2% of total Electricity Use. We lose more than that, just shipping electricity around. This is just silly. But not uncommon. Sort of strange about this industry, how few folks understand, but how many think they do.
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Data centers are one of the most energy-intensive building types, consuming 10 to 50 times the energy per floor space of a typical commercial office building. Collectively, these spaces account for approximately 2% of the total U.S. electricity use.
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