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Old 12-04-2008, 11:53 AM
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Default I have a theory...

Has anyone seen the movie 'Jumpers' with Hayden Christensen?
YouTube - Jumper Official Movie Trailer

I believe that this type of thing is possible to achieve. I do not know how to do it myself but the science is there to support the theory.

Most people interested in science have at one time or another have come across the term 'Spooky Physics'.

Spooky physics is basically all of the weird and non-logical things we are discovering in the quantum physics world... objects can physically exist in two or more places at the same time, particles can spontaneously spin in opposite directions, subatomic and atomic scale matter behaves differently if you are watching it then when you are not. This all fascinates me!

This brings me to why I posted this... When two particles interact with each other they become mysteriously linked. No matter how far they are separated they both instantly react the same to what the other is doing... they could be separated across the entire universe and if you move one the other will move exactly like the other... INSTANTLY (That is faster than light or information can travel) The scientists call this quantum entanglement!

In the big bang... all matter in the universe was together for a brief moment in time. If you could, (either through the mind or through technology), re-create yourself with a thought somewhere on the other side of the galaxy or across the world... life would be unbelievable!

When I was growing up the scientific community told me that there was absolutely no possible way to ever travel faster than the speed of light... now they have something called 'Superluminal' speed which is far more than 10,000 times faster than the speed of light at our current measurements!

Do you think that this will ever be a possibility? or Do you want to debate the topic? Please let me know!

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Watched the movie last week - it was entertaining.

Can't speak to the science, as I'm not a scientist, but it seems pretty unlikely. Manipulating individual particles or atoms is one thing - doing the same to an incredibly large collection of them that are arranged in a very specific way without disturbing that arrangement is probably outside the realm of human technology - at least for a very, very long time.

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I think the answer will come when we develop quantum computers and the computers get smarter than us. They say that in 10 years you will be able to purchase a computer for $1,000 that will be equivalent to human intelligence. And in 50 years we will have computers equal to all of humans combined. At that point, who knows what is possible?
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There's a lot to think about there.

I don't believe in the speed of light myself. (do I smell a thought experiment cooking?) You can call it a particle if you want, but light is a waveform propagation. The energy is transferred by the wave at the speed of light. The particle, if there is one, is just doing its little dance in place, getting its energy from ajacent particles.

Take AC (alternating current) for instance. The electrons move back and forth, never really going anywhere, yet millions of watts of energy perform remote work.

Our theories are formed on top of the observable phenomena, backed by mathmatical certainty. The idea of an electron racing around a nucleus packed with protons and neutrons is a fabrication of the mind to conceptualize the observed relationships between the mathmatical constructs that define the theory. If more information calls for the electron in the mental construct to be in two places at once, then perhaps it is time to re examine the construct itself as incomplete.
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As gy2020 stated, the only way quantum entanglement could possibly be used for macro-sized objects (at least this millennium) is if a theoretical advancement called "the singularity" occurs. One facet of this singularity is computers improving there own intelligence exponentially.

Curious idea though, although I haven't seen the movie. I am confused by your reference to superluminal speeds though: Can you provide a link to this? As far as I know, matter cannot move at the speed of light in a vacuum. Now, there may be ways of slowing c down in other mediums but that is meaningless for fast travel.
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There's a lot to think about there.

I don't believe in the speed of light myself. (do I smell a thought experiment cooking?) You can call it a particle if you want, but light is a waveform propagation. The energy is transferred by the wave at the speed of light. The particle, if there is one, is just doing its little dance in place, getting its energy from ajacent particles.

Take AC (alternating current) for instance. The electrons move back and forth, never really going anywhere, yet millions of watts of energy perform remote work.

Our theories are formed on top of the observable phenomena, backed by mathmatical certainty. The idea of an electron racing around a nucleus packed with protons and neutrons is a fabrication of the mind to conceptualize the observed relationships between the mathmatical constructs that define the theory. If more information calls for the electron in the mental construct to be in two places at once, then perhaps it is time to re examine the construct itself as incomplete.
In quantum physics a particle can act as a wave and a particle, depending upon the mere fact that we are observing it.

Here is a Youtube link about the double slit experiment which raised all of these questions explained in layman's terms.


YouTube - Dr Quantum - quantum physics simplified!
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As gy2020 stated, the only way quantum entanglement could possibly be used for macro-sized objects (at least this millennium) is if a theoretical advancement called "the singularity" occurs. One facet of this singularity is computers improving there own intelligence exponentially.

Curious idea though, although I haven't seen the movie. I am confused by your reference to superluminal speeds though: Can you provide a link to this? As far as I know, matter cannot move at the speed of light in a vacuum. Now, there may be ways of slowing c down in other mediums but that is meaningless for fast travel.
I did not say I could do it tomorrow...

But the core science is supportive. Quantum computers will change the world... every password and code will be easily broken, science will expand exponentially, new technologies will be springing up hourly; It will be absolutely amazing!
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I did not say I could do it tomorrow...

But the core science is supportive. Quantum computers will change the world... every password and code will be easily broken, science will expand exponentially, new technologies will be springing up hourly; It will be absolutely amazing!
You mean it's not amazing yet?
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You don't actually have a theory, you only have a hypo-theory (or hypothesis). We scientists use the word theory to describe mathematical and empirical observations that have been repeatedly confirmed by many experiments by many different scientists. (sorry, this is a soap-box thing for me)

Your hypothesis, however, has never been observed. Nor has it ever been derived mathematically. What we accept now is that quantum mechanics breaks down as you go from the particulate world to the macroscopic world, just as relativity breaks down as you slow from the speed of light.

That said, I think it would be awesome to jump around like that, but I won't keep my hopes up.
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