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Roy Masters Explodes the Big Bang

June 24, 2009

Grants Pass, OR — Roy Masters has an alternative theory that blows Big Bang apart.

Masters is a veteran broadcaster and writer who’s made a career out of challenging accepted wisdom and debunking the “experts” who tell the rest of us what to think.

Masters’ controversial new thesis turns conventional science on its head. It shows how everything starts with gravity. We live in a gravity-driven universe where gravity isn’t just another force, it is actually the dominant, driving force that shapes all the others. Gravity is not a property of matter. It is not even a property of space. In fact, space, time and matter are all properties of gravity.

“If you know what gravity really is you will find energy at any point in space, just as Nikola Tesla predicted,”says Masters. He can explain how matter was created, where it comes from, and even how to get electricity from gravity.

You can download his white paper Gravity Driven Universe free at FHU.com and debate with him live on his national Advice Line program.

[bluebeard]

There is no such thing as free energy.

[jayrandom]

Which experts has he exactly debunked? If it were anyone worthwhile I would have heard of it in Physics Today. My guess is he's only debunked experts in his own mind, but I'm more than open to being corrected.

As for energy, it is all around us. I's just a question of converting it from one form (mass) in to a more useful form. His references to Tesla and "debunking experts" seem to give this guy a high crackpot index Crackpot index

Why people like this like to write white papers and earn $0 instead of actually producing electricity from gravity and earning $1e9+ will always confuse me.

[Narcissus23]

New Theory Proposes Strong Gravity And A Universe At Your Fingertips

[Narcissus23]

Master of the Universe: Stephen Hawking Gravity : Video : Science Channel

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by bluebeard

There is no such thing as free energy.

Yes of course there's not. And if big government and big business (which includes most science) have anything to say about it , things will stay just as they are. If they discover any free or inexpensive (mere pennies) ways for the making of this wonderful eco-green energy, you can bet you will still have to pay through the nose as usually to the same existing powers.

Their not opposed to an eco-green earth, but you don't have the right to enjoy it for free by any means.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

Which experts has he exactly debunked? If it were anyone worthwhile I would have heard of it in Physics Today. My guess is he's only debunked experts in his own mind, but I'm more than open to being corrected.

As for energy, it is all around us. It's just a question of converting it from one form (mass) in to a more useful form.

Yes there is massive amounts of free energies out there. The problem is that even if we can understand and harness them, there is always the issue of what happens to the entities now who are in charge of the dispensing it to us ??? They are not going to go down without a fight. They have no problem with these amazing clean renewable energies, but they are the ones who will control them. The idea of a free energy just does'nt work in the way our world is run. Our world, be it politics, business (science), even religion is power and wealth driven and despite the propaganda by the big three I just listed, helping out the poor guy is simply only a P.R. veneer statement of what they are all really about.

Originally Posted by jayrandom

Why people like this like to write white papers and earn $0 instead of actually producing electricity from gravity and earning $1e9+ will always confuse me.

Hard to believe while living in the selfish world we all know and tolerate that there would still be individuals whose love for any scientific endeavor would motivate them to pursue something that would be of value to fellow human beings without thought or motivation of the almighty profits and what's in it for me mentality. There are not many people like that left in our modern day societies as there was in the past.

Personally I don't know who this guy is, but if he's on the right track, then perhaps others can contribute and make some possitive things a reality. The one thing I know from experience is that not any one guy has the magic answers. But like minded individuals with similiar interests and good motivations can bring each his own pieces of the puzzle together and come up with some really beneficial things, and in the crap hole we all find our Earth's environment in, it's apparent that we need a refreshing change from the old norm and biz as usual.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by Narcissus23

New Theory Proposes Strong Gravity And A Universe At Your Fingertips

You know personally, I like the idea of challenging the norm and what's considered conventional. Especially in the area of science. The idea that eveyone should subject themselves to the senority elite of geniuses who've given us a status quo and to go against them is stupid in itself. I'm glad there have been and are now present people who are driven by quests for better understanding in any of the scientific fields.

Thanks for sharing the links.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Yes there is massive amounts of free energies out there. The problem is that even if we can understand and harness them, there is always the issue of what happens to the entities now who are in charge of the dispensing it to us ??? They are not going to go down without a fight. They have no problem with these amazing clean renewable energies, but they are the ones who will control them. The idea of a free energy just does'nt work in the way our world is run. Our world, be it politics, business (science), even religion is power and wealth driven and despite the propaganda by the big three I just listed, helping out the poor guy is simply only a P.R. veneer statement of what they are all really about.

You know how they are going to profit from free energy, in the unlikely event some company finds a way to harness it? By patenting it and then either selling the energy directly or licensing their technology. They won't try to hide their technology and will probably charge just under the prevailing rate for energy. They'll advertise and cajole and convince everyone that their technology is great and then they'll enjoy 20 years of nearly limitless profit and amass enough capital to become the biggest company in the world. They won't bury the technology and only let it come out to the select few who visit the right websites.

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Hard to believe while living in the selfish world we all know and tolerate that there would still be individuals whose love for any scientific endeavor would motivate them to pursue something that would be of value to fellow human beings without thought or motivation of the almighty profits and what's in it for me mentality. There are not many people like that left in our modern day societies as there was in the past.

Ok, if he's so altruistic why doesn't he build his free energy machine and give it out to those in need? Or demonstrate such a device for someone who will critically evaluate those claims? My point wasn't that he was stupid for giving something amazing away but rather that he is disingenuous for saying something could be done without actually doing it.

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Personally I don't know who this guy is, but if he's on the right track, then perhaps others can contribute and make some possitive things a reality. The one thing I know from experience is that not any one guy has the magic answers. But like minded individuals with similiar interests and good motivations can bring each his own pieces of the puzzle together and come up with some really beneficial things, and in the crap hole we all find our Earth's environment in, it's apparent that we need a refreshing change from the old norm and biz as usual.

Originally Posted by bluepacific

You know personally, I like the idea of challenging the norm and what's considered conventional. Especially in the area of science. The idea that eveyone should subject themselves to the senority elite of geniuses who've given us a status quo and to go against them is stupid in itself. I'm glad there have been and are now present people who are driven by quests for better understanding in any of the scientific fields.

Thanks for sharing the links.

Scientists are skeptical and critical by necessity. It's very easy to convince yourself of something you believe in, so it's important to have those who don't necessarily believe what you're saying try to find all the possible flaws with your logic, methods, and conclusions. When someone outside the scientific community submits themselves to this scrutiny and sees this hostility, they mistake it as something reserved for those "outside" the scientific community.

The general rule is that the more outrageous the claims, the more convincing the evidence has to be. Even for completely non-controversial topics like beam theory minor corrections and additions to the established theory are heavily scrutinized. If someone calls in to question principles that have been proved experimentally time and time again over the past eighty years, one must have extremely compelling evidence and an explanation of what everyone was doing wrong for all those years. Mr. Masters offer no experimentally claims that prove his theory and disprove others; he offers no explanations that better explain anyone's experimental results. In other words, he offers no evidence and expects people to just believe his ideas because it makes sense to him. All he offers are some bad analogies from crude thought experiments.

Until he offers up some evidence or some calculations, he will continue to just be ignored by the scientific community. There is enough to do trying to challenge the ideas of people who actually have some evidence to challenge people who have none.

There are millions of scientists out there trying to answer important questions using conventional methods and those are the people I respect. Real science is difficult, frustrating, tedious, and usually very slow. I think people who try to take difficult things and are convinced they can be understood simply (what Mr. Masters is doing) are doing themselves a disservice and actually setting the cause of knowledge backward. You certainly don't have to defer to the seniority of elite geniuses, but you should acquaint yourself with the evidence that science has produced before casting your lot with some evidence-free theory.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

You know how they are going to profit from free energy, in the unlikely event some company finds a way to harness it? By patenting it and then either selling the energy directly or licensing their technology. They won't try to hide their technology and will probably charge just under the prevailing rate for energy. They'll advertise and cajole and convince everyone that their technology is great and then they'll enjoy 20 years of nearly limitless profit and amass enough capital to become the biggest company in the world. They won't bury the technology and only let it come out to the select few who visit the right websites.

You know one of the other things we forgot ???

Any government anywhere will find a way to tax their citizens for using free energy for no other reason than you are residing within their sovereign borders and using whatever natural resources that are within those same borders. Even the rays of the sun shining down and hitting that particular part of the planet under their domain are taxable.

Originally Posted by jayrandom

Ok, if he's so altruistic why doesn't he build his free energy machine and give it out to those in need? Or demonstrate such a device for someone who will critically evaluate those claims? My point wasn't that he was stupid for giving something amazing away but rather that he is disingenuous for saying something could be done without actually doing it.

I did'nt say the guy was altruistic. It does'nt matter. But not all people do what they do in science with wealth and ego as the motivation. The guy may very well be that way.

But even I have always said this same thing about many of those in the environmental movement and BTW, I'm for environmental solutions. Rather than politics (which is impossible to get away from) why don't radical environmental groups have this giant thinktank for the purpose of coming up with ideas to better mankind and then share them with everyone ???

I've seen lately the news over in California where many of these groups are opposed to any development of desalination plants along the coastal waters, yet they don't want water taken from elsewhere to fill the growing needs. I've seen them protest and try and block solar farms out in the middle of nowhere in the Mojave desert outback because they don't want their pristine backyard touched. The thing is they offer no inventions of their own making. They have no clue or idea themselves on solutions and block others who even try to bring forth solutions from doing so.

Ultimately you are left to the conclusion that no one has a right to this planet but them.

Originally Posted by jayrandom

Scientists are skeptical and critical by necessity. It's very easy to convince yourself of something you believe in, so it's important to have those who don't necessarily believe what you're saying try to find all the possible flaws with your logic, methods, and conclusions. When someone outside the scientific community submits themselves to this scrutiny and sees this hostility, they mistake it as something reserved for those "outside" the scientific community.

Ultimately that's what I said about other getting on board and taking a look. As I stated, there is no one genius guy out there with all the answers. Many answers have actually come from people with no initials in front of or behind their name in some sophisticated letter head. The kool thing is whenever someone has an excellent idea and someone elese improves on it or the same thing replicates itself after that. But in the end the guy may well be a quack with only an off the wall blog showing nothing more to us than his mere pathetic existance out there in cyber space.

Originally Posted by jayrandom

There are millions of scientists out there trying to answer important questions using conventional methods and those are the people I respect. Real science is difficult, frustrating, tedious, and usually very slow. I think people who try to take difficult things and are convinced they can be understood simply (what Mr. Masters is doing) are doing themselves a disservice and actually setting the cause of knowledge backward. You certainly don't have to defer to the seniority of elite geniuses, but you should acquaint yourself with the evidence that science has produced before casting your lot with some evidence-free theory.

I'm hardly casting my lot with an evidence free theory. I simply don't hold science to the elevated pedestal many do today. A big part of the reason is the world we've all inherited as a result of what science has given us. True, many have mis-used and abused their inventions, but still they persist in supporting the very elements which do the abusing. Not all, but many.

Take for example that very sentence you typed for which I high lighted in RED. I believe in that and for much of science that is true. However, do you really consider that to be the rule with all of science ???

I don't believe they all do. Consider my flavourite pin the tail on the donkey poster child Monsanto. Do you actually believe that when they employ the use of Marxist Biology - Doktor Josef Mengele exprimentation with regards breaking species barriers for their Genetically Modified Organisms, that they are following those laws/ethics and doctrinal rules you just mentioned ??? Hardly. And there is an entire whole history of court cases for decades to show they have a habit of not being forth coming with info they knew all along. The only way the public has found out is thru court orders forcing them to do so by turning over the research or the lack of it.

Well, it's for another thread but their present preoccupation is literally destroying many ecosystems around many of these agricultural areas. Their technology does'nt have to be used and many have proven it. In fact one of the companies I had dealings with, a company called Plant Health Care Inc in the past regarding mycorrhizal applications in agriculture has now formulated an agreement with Monsanto for permission to use some of their technology. I was'nt exactly a happy camper to hear that but so be it. I can just see them now modifying a specific species of fungus like Pisolithus tinctorius, one I use in reforestation establishment. I can just see it now. It'll have a specific patented gene they implanted. It gets loose in the wild and intermingles with other related species and their goons come on your property and find their patented genetic traces of this fungus on your woodland lot and the owner of the property receives a letter where they are demanding a substantial licensing fee or they'll take you to court and make an example of you.

Okay, I exagerated, but you know what I mean.