Informational Water (dish, HP, stream, websites)

[bluepacific]

Informational Water

Originally Posted by Ninja

It is, for the most part, a fraud. And the people that do believe it, without any proof, are pretty dumb for doing so.

The problem is when people in Homeopathic medicine do not give anything to back up their beliefs other than conjecture and rumor. THAT is what bothers scientists and doctors. Someone saynig "because" is not a defense of any assertion that Ginko Baloba (sp) is good for you, or that Sharks Fin helps fertility.

Some HP remedies may have beneficial effects, but when something has not been researched (and placebo tested) it gets very difficult to seperate the actual treatments effects over what was done by the power of sugegstion and therefore it cannot be supported by the medical profession.It is, for the most part, a fraud. And the people that do believe it, without any proof, are pretty dumb for doing so.

Actually I've never used Homeopathy before, but I have no problem nor is it any of my business if people wish to use it. Interestingly when compared to a placebo, Homeopathy Remedies have been found to have some effect in treating things like allergies, asthma and childhood diarrihea.

Here's even an interesting news item from the March 4, 1998 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association and the article "Homeopathy: Another Tool in the Bag"

JAMA -- Homeopathy: Another Tool in the Bag, March 4, 1998, Johnson 279 (9): 707

It's unfortunate that there are going to be quacks and cons out there who will take something and give it a bad name no matter what the subject. I certainly don't think any one thing can replace doctors and conventional medicine and people should make intelligent descisions when it comes to something of a serious medical nature.

Originally Posted by Dane

[b]It is actually for an entirely different reason: No one has ever shown it to work. Nobody has extracted information from "informational water" without preknowledge.

Reeeaaaallly ??? Are you suuuurrrree about that ??? Perhaps you can share with us your personal research refuting the matter ???

Actually when it comes to informational water, it is this aspect I am more interested in because of experiments I have done and replicated and know as a fact. Mostly for me it involves experiments with such water on the growth of plants for which I spent a good part of 20 years researching.

Sometime ago (I believe early last year and again this year) I tried to get the local geniuses here to discuss the man Viktor Schauberger who pioneered much of the research which has led to the many of the inventions by others that can replicate a healthy and energized spring water. Amazingly many major industries here in Europe and elsewhere are using these devices. One company in Austria has over 300,000 customers using their devices. Basically I think what these inventions are doing, is nothing more than replicating what the Earth (which is a giant evergy machine) does with it's negative electrically charging of water molecules through it's movement by spirals and vortex movements in streams, waterfalls and even upward movement through the earth in the form of natural springs.

For the moment I am pressed for time, but I'll get back to my personal experience and then what I've found out there in the market place.

[djmilf]

Here ya go Blue Pacific, just for you!

Most geniusly written poem. [VIDEO]

[bluepacific]

Informational Water ???

I don't know. Maybe it's simply a definition that some have given it. Some use the terminology called "Memory Water". Does water have a memory or hold information inside of it's structure ??? There is definitely something there, but I don't think for the interest of discussion we should focus on some mystical interpretation of consciousness or New Age explanations. That's not what attracted the subject to me in the first place and in actual fact I am turned off to such philosophy.

I've seen many of the same observations in nature that the man Viktor Schauberger did in the forest environs of Tyrol Austria where he was a forester. Water's natural motion and movement. In a pristine environment in a stream or brook where small static blue electrical current could be seen flickering now and again and yet it's something I have'nt seen in years since the late 1970s. Schauberger was intrigued by water's energetic spiral movements. In fact his research on nature's water structure of movement or natural flow dynamics has been put down in hydrological engineering regulations and used in Germany to this day. He was awarded for his research in this area.

One of the things he noticed about the nature of design and healthy river systems is that they tend to want to turn, twist and spiral their way towrds the ocean no matter where they are. Something like this.


But mankind in wanting more efficient looking river flow systems for economic purposes and reconstructed rivers to look like this for the purpose of real estate management and perceived better water transport systems. This involves taking out all the curves, twists and turns to something like this.
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The problem however with the straightening is that we can actually create future flooding problems by restricting the natural flow form which would otherwise handle greater volumes of water without destroying river banks and more efficiently moving debri down river. Channeling these waterways destroys the natural flow that water needs to function properly and that's where the problem is. Not long ago I read a study about the design of our aorta blood vessels and who would have thought that your blood vessels are designed the same way as a natural healthy river system ??? here's a clip, but you can Google it yourself.

The aorta is a more sophisticated piece of "plumbing" than scientists previously realized. At first glance, the arch of the aorta resembles the curved handle of an umbrella. But that is not entirely correct. The arch of the aorta has, not a simple two-dimensional curve, but a three-dimensional one, like a semicircular section cut out of a coil spring. Laid on a flat surface, it would curl around and up.

Why this design? Because instead of simply making the blood flow around the arch like water in the bend of a river, it makes the blood swirl around the aorta in a double-spiral fashion. On the inside of a river bend, the water flows slower, allowing sediment to build up. But on the outside of the bend, the stream moves faster, even scouring away the bank. In the aorta, such a difference in speed might allow dangerous plaques to build up on the slower inside bend. By forcing the blood to flow in a spiral fashion, however, the aorta reduces this problem by causing the blood to scour its wall more evenly.

It's incredible and indeed not the only part of your human body that spirals. Ever see the spiral growth parttens of the hair on a persons head ??? Most likely you have'nt unless you see a man with a short haircut. Let's go back to liquid spirals again. This is actually for you guys. When you've drank too much coffee or one too many pints at the Pub and nature calls for you to take a trip to the Loo office, ever notice that the stream of your urine is spiraled ??? It's designed that way because if your plumbing were designed like basic PVC plastic pipe, you'd find the liquid tension of a straight walled pipe design to be excruciatingly painful and it would splatter all over the place, rather than that nice neat little stream which allows you to quickly drain your radiator with no problems. You'll never look at taking a PEE again in the same way, I guarantee it.

Everything has that Golden Angle spiral design in it. Even the Fibonacci Numbers come into play. It was the knowledge of these paterns in plants that enabled me to understand already in the beginning the natural design of water and all other things. Rather than drag along with this, here's a couple of websites to educate further how these designs are everywhere, even in everyone here's flavourite topic, the Cosmos.

The Fibonacci Numbers and Golden section in Nature - 1

http://www.math.colostate.edu/~muell..._of_Plants.pdf

For the moment I'll leave you with that to get under your belt and continue later.

[GregW]

Informational and energized water is fundamental in the design and manufacture of psycoceramic concepts and objects.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by GregW

Informational and energized water is fundamental in the design and manufacture of psycoceramic concepts and objects.

It's interesting the many uses the research on this has done in creating many inventions and devices that are at least here in Europe are commonly used. Before I'm finished here I'll share some links to all the companies involved with this natural phenomena and products the various industries use.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by GregW

Informational and energized water is fundamental in the design and manufacture of psycoceramic concepts and objects.

Granted - I'd forgotten about that.

[Tek_Freek]

Originally Posted by djmilf

Here ya go Blue Pacific, just for you!

Most geniusly written poem. [VIDEO]

Funny. Dude should take the cob out, though.

[JBrown]

Originally Posted by djmilf

Here ya go Blue Pacific, just for you!

Most geniusly written poem. [VIDEO]

I regret that I can only rep you once..

that was most excellent dude.....

[gy2020]

That was a cool poem.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Informational Water ???

For the moment I'll leave you with that to get under your belt and continue later.

Just a quick note here!!

I have'nt forgotten this thread. I've been preparing for a scientific conference I'll be attending this weekend in the Swedish city of Malmö and have'nt had the time to finish this topic here. Only time for quick quips here and there (the usual entertainment value for break purposes) and then back to work. I'll post more after the conference, since the same people attending as myself also like to think about and consider things outside of the conventional scientific box! For a couple decades now there industries out there in the real world as we know it who have made use of the research of (yes here's that name again) Viktor Schauberger for specific applications for their various industries. I'll let you know who they are and what they do. You may be surprised and perhaps even excited, who knows.

The "Institute of Ecological Technologies" is based in Malmö and it should be exciting. Most attendees will be from Austria, Germany , United States and Sweden. But I promise to post more info on this specific thread about the original topic and the conference.

BTW, I'm not comfortable with the terminology myself of "Informational Water" or even "Memory Water" as I believe there is a more correct terminology that can and should be used in describing of some usual phenomena regarding specific properties of water.

Anyway, see you next week!!!