Late Pleistocene Extinction Debate (format, document, devices, systems)

[GregW]

Sky & Telescope magazine has an article on the extinction of the late ice age megafauna on the North American continent about 13,000 years ago. Have any of you read the article? Do you have any comments?

I have been wondering how something could have happened yesterday in geologic time and left so few clues. Let us discuss.

[NightBazaar]

Is there an online link for the article?

[gy2020]

I didn't read the article, however, I did see a documentary on the subject and one prediction was that an astroid hit the tundra of Canada and didn't leave any tell-tale signs, but that the effect was to decimate the larger fauna of North America. It almost destroyed the Indians, but a small group managed to survive.

In another documentary, they discussed an astroid impact site in Canada that produced great quanities of nickel and other ore. At first they thought the minerals were a result of volcanic activities, but then discovered the impact site.

I just wonder if the two stories could be one and the same.

[gy2020]

Hi NightBazzar: What is the weather like today?

[NightBazaar]

Originally Posted by gy2020

Hi NightBazzar: What is the weather like today?

Hot, but not as hot as the past few scorching days. Kinda like the Jurassic Period.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by GregW

Sky & Telescope magazine has an article on the extinction of the late ice age megafauna on the North American continent about 13,000 years ago. Have any of you read the article? Do you have any comments?

I have been wondering how something could have happened yesterday in geologic time and left so few clues. Let us discuss.

Actually I have for the past year been researching this very subject of extinct of the Eocene ecosystems of the Arctic and Antarctic polar regions. Both, though having differing and some similiar forest eco-types, had similiar indentical climate factors and both went extinct instantly and for the same reasons. My main interest in the research done was not just in the fact that there were huge old growth forests in these polar regions, but the unique hydrological cycling system which has nothing to do with water falling as rain from storms generated off oceans.

This is actually related to my "Informational Water" thread and eventually I would have spoken about this, but I did'nt want to get ahead of the subject by refering to this phenomena. However, since it has been brought up, if anyone has not done so, I've created two blogs related to this. I'm actually not finished (no real time) but your welcome to have a look. There's far more to it than the limited blog space allows. But here it is. The first one deals with the actually real ancient forest which has been exposed over the past decades as a result of the warming and melting of these polar regions. Since I've first posted the blog, I've found far more on the subject, but have'nt posted as such. What's interesting about these tree stumps, logs, branches, twigs, cones, seed pods, etc is that there are not petrified wood fossils as we know such fossil wood. The wood is basically mummified. In other words it's real actual wood with all it's cellulose intact for study and yes, the wood still burns. Most of it looks like drift wood, with the exception of the massive logs unearthed.

The benefit here is that Paleoclimatologists and also Paleobotanists can actually to real live studies on viable material to tell us what the climate was like and yes, as mention by the O.P. , the eco-system was said to have existed around some 10,000 years ago (which is very young in historical terms), although there may be many who would not agree with this.

My interest is this and I'll only refer to this once here since it is not the specific sub-forum for such discussion. That sub-forum would be the Religion and Philosophy sub-forum, a forum that I made the descision not to participate in because of the idiocy of both sides of any arguement. Dealing with the religious believer side, they are so far off base in their reason and my views are not represented there anywhere, so I no longer participate. I've always been interested in the Bible's Genesis account of creation. It's not detailed and it never explains any real mechanics of the how questions , but only the what. In other words it only highlights observable chronological order of events and appearances of specific life as we know it to have actually appeared on earth and that is all.

The one intriguing part of the account for me, and it's one that is always made fun of by the critics, is the hydrological cycling that took place prior to the flood account. The mention of it is found at Genesis 2:6 . Again, keeping an open mind and if we can dump the usual snarky comments, what has been discovered from the climate studies of the ancient Eocene era at the poles is genuinely fascinating and yet they have zero explanation for how such a water cycling system could have existed. My research into Viktor Schauberger , interest in mycorrhizae, and countless other research by others and the invention of devices on the market today which create or replicate this nature type of spring of "Informational Water" which in nature only comes from the influence of the earth itself was only confirmed by their findings from the polar regions. Again, thanks to global warming.

Anyway, here's the blog links.

http://www.city-data.com/blogs/blog6...ent-world.html

http://www.city-data.com/blogs/blog6...troboides.html

Well here's the journal I'm assuming you are refering to. Perhaps you could point out that article. Please let me know the link as I would be open to the information it contains.

SkyandTelescope.com

[K-Luv]

Originally Posted by GregW

Sky & Telescope magazine has an article on the extinction of the late ice age megafauna on the North American continent about 13,000 years ago. Have any of you read the article? Do you have any comments?

Uh, I have not heard of Sky & Telescope Magazine, so that would be a negative from me.

There are, and will be, hundreds of millions of species that have (will have) live(d) and die(d) without our ever knowing.

Organic matter decomposes at a rather fast rate, so unless the conditions were perfect, there will be no record that such a species existed, unless of course someone decides that such a species did indeed once exist and took on the task of searching for the clues. My guess is that they were eaten by other animals.

Most found species, whether extinct or extant, are found be accident.