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Old 03-05-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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Ah another burbs vs the city arugment. Personally I'm a bit of a tweener, living in a house in Wallingford--which is definitely not downtown but definitely not Bellevue or any other burb either. I can ride the bus, or drive a car, or I can walk to a ton of local shops, businesses, community organizations, and attractions. I don't have the noise of downtown, nor am I car-bound like those in the burbs. It's an expensive neighborhood to buy in, but quality often is and to me it's worth it.

I like having choices, and there are choices besides a tiny apartment in Capitol Hill and a giant isolated house in the far burbs.
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:42 AM
 
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Hey Er0sion, I noticed you have been slightly absent, after all the damn questions about why you need a 3k SQFT house. Don't listen to them. Having been born and raised in Michigan, the people here in Seattle don't understand all the ROOM and AREA thats available for use. They also have that reduce/reuse/recycle mantra pounded in their head. Now before people flame me, yes, its a great thing to do. But in Michigan, you're hard pressed to find a recycle bin anywhere. Its a different mind set, and people from different areas may not understand the way others in an area live. Its not Seattle only, its worldwide, and history spanning.

Now, yes I do know that a house is a mix of what you need and want, both matter. A 2.5k sqft - 3k sqft house in Michigan is normal. Here, a 900-1200 sqft apartment is normal. There is no disgrace anywhere in teh area to live in an apartment.

To answer some of your questions though, you can afford it out here, most people just rent. Your 70K job would pay about 100K here. But it is SO much nicer here than in Michigan. I would never move back unless there is extenuating circumstances. You will not regret moving out here, if your willing to take it for what its worth, and enjoy what it has to offer.

I am more than willing to be a voice for you, and reason in this thread. Not everyone wants a prius, 400sqft shared studio apartment, and natural organic vegan diets.

Give me the fun car/truck, more room than I 'need', and all the meat I can eat. I will only live once, and though my final home is in heaven, I will enjoy the time I have here on earth, responsibly, but comfortably, as I see fit, and legally allowed to do. This is America, by god, home of the free, and brave. Not a communist, socialist country.

flame away, I have my abestos underwear on.
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Capital Hill
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So, how can younger people afford to live here???? As a 50+ year citizen of this town, I ask the same question. My daughter and son-in-law earn a combined income of over $100,000. They can only afford to live in what you call a two bedroom 'shack'. They wanted to up-grade so they put it on the market for $500,000. It sold at the first open-house and there was a bidding war. Now they are desperately looking for that 'upgrade'. The problem they are now facing is that they can't afford that upgrade. Young people are fighting to get into these 'low priced shacks' while the the million dollar three bed-room family homes are almost impossible to sell. Then there is the ever-increasing property tax that will just blow you away. Retired people can no longer afford to live here.
We bought our three-bedroom, 1 and a half bathroom family home on Capital Hill for $18,000. Now the homes on our street are selling for over a million dollars. We don't know anyone that can afford to live on this street, certainly our children can't. And, I'm talking about a simple, modest three bedroom house.
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:59 AM
 
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Midas, it's a free country but remember that Michigan, absent the weather, does not look entirely different that Seattle. But Seattle's love of the environment has preserved a lot of its beauty and a lot of other states have not taken the same care. I had coworkers attending meetings in Seattle and they said they had never seen such a clean downtown. Residents of other states may not view things the same but a lot of states don't look like Seattle.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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Vinylly, it's called saving up. I have roughly 20% down payment saved up for a nice home in Seattle. I'm going to save up more, through smart investing and a promotion, and then I'll buy when I have around 35%. That's how we can afford to buy here.
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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Hey Er0sion, I noticed you have been slightly absent, after all the damn questions about why you need a 3k SQFT house. Don't listen to them. Having been born and raised in Michigan, the people here in Seattle don't understand all the ROOM and AREA thats available for use. They also have that reduce/reuse/recycle mantra pounded in their head. Now before people flame me, yes, its a great thing to do. But in Michigan, you're hard pressed to find a recycle bin anywhere. Its a different mind set, and people from different areas may not understand the way others in an area live. Its not Seattle only, its worldwide, and history spanning.

Now, yes I do know that a house is a mix of what you need and want, both matter. A 2.5k sqft - 3k sqft house in Michigan is normal. Here, a 900-1200 sqft apartment is normal. There is no disgrace anywhere in teh area to live in an apartment.

To answer some of your questions though, you can afford it out here, most people just rent. Your 70K job would pay about 100K here. But it is SO much nicer here than in Michigan. I would never move back unless there is extenuating circumstances. You will not regret moving out here, if your willing to take it for what its worth, and enjoy what it has to offer.

I am more than willing to be a voice for you, and reason in this thread. Not everyone wants a prius, 400sqft shared studio apartment, and natural organic vegan diets.

Give me the fun car/truck, more room than I 'need', and all the meat I can eat. I will only live once, and though my final home is in heaven, I will enjoy the time I have here on earth, responsibly, but comfortably, as I see fit, and legally allowed to do. This is America, by god, home of the free, and brave. Not a communist, socialist country.

flame away, I have my abestos underwear on.
You are from Michigan. That explains a lot. Backward backwater state.

People may aspire to a large house, but in Michigan, that is far from the reality for a lot of people.

You have to understand the geographic restrictions that exist in the Puget Sound area. That limits a lot of growth. If you need room, head over the mountains to Eastern Washington. Plenty of room there.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:54 PM
 
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AlohaHuey I'd give you another Rep but it's telling me I have to spread it around
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:10 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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You are from Michigan. That explains a lot. Backward backwater state.

People may aspire to a large house, but in Michigan, that is far from the reality for a lot of people.

You have to understand the geographic restrictions that exist in the Puget Sound area. That limits a lot of growth. If you need room, head over the mountains to Eastern Washington. Plenty of room there.
You call Detroit and U Michigan "backwater"? As in, a hyuck hyuck type?

Dream on.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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Midas, it's a free country but remember that Michigan, absent the weather, does not look entirely different that Seattle. But Seattle's love of the environment has preserved a lot of its beauty and a lot of other states have not taken the same care. I had coworkers attending meetings in Seattle and they said they had never seen such a clean downtown. Residents of other states may not view things the same but a lot of states don't look like Seattle.
Having come from Michigan, and having been all over that state, Seattle is very different. Even including the weather. Lets see, Michigan is generally flat, mostly farm or decidious trees, lots of lakes, very conservative, bad economy, and alot of areas are starting to suffer from decay. Urban decay, and just abandonment.

Seattle is hilly, ocean, mountains, couple HUGE lakes (yes, I know, the great lakes are bigger, but michigan is filled with tons of small lakes.) Its also very green, and liberal in most things. While I could turn to politics, and say its almost too liberal, I wont. But the areas are completely different. I spent 27 years in Michigan. It is different. In more ways than they are similar.


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You are from Michigan. That explains a lot. Backward backwater state.

People may aspire to a large house, but in Michigan, that is far from the reality for a lot of people.

You have to understand the geographic restrictions that exist in the Puget Sound area. That limits a lot of growth. If you need room, head over the mountains to Eastern Washington. Plenty of room there.
I am well aware that the Puget Sound area is 'hemmed in', especially in regards to the Greater Seattle area. Yes, Michigan has a lot of open land to do with whatever you choose. So does Eastern Washington. But this isnt either of those places. It has its own unique advantages and disadvantages. Can I step off my porch and go target shooting, no, but can I see all sorts of diversity, and recycle, yes. I love this area for what it has, and I miss Michigan for what it has. Will I move back, probably not, in fact, I am working on making a final move to Alaska.

Before I moved, as college students, we could have bought a 2k SQFT house, and been just fine. We didn't. We moved out here instead. Yes we rent now, but we aspire to have a house that has all the amenities that WE WANT in it. Houses are CHEAP in Michigan, and if you have a decent, stable job (not as easy as it once was, but still possible), yes you can afford that house.

I also like how you assume that since I am from such a backwater state, you know all about me. So tell me, what are my dreams and aspirations? Do all I want to do is spit tobacco, shoot guns, and sing in a blue grass band? How about drive monster trucks, eat McDonalds all day, and watch dog fights? Is that the image you get? if so, I feel sorry for you. I don't get how people here can tear a guy, and others, apart, when he is trying to find simple, and easy answers to his questions. We're here to help people, answer questions, and give good advice. Stop tearing people apart, or trying to impose your ideas on others.


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You call Detroit and U Michigan "backwater"? As in, a hyuck hyuck type?

Dream on.
OK, a little fun here, but Detroit is , well, not hyuck hyuck, but rather, well, getting downtrodden and suffering from urban decay. U of M, however, I would put right up there with UW. Maybe a little ahead as well.



Now, lets get this back on track, and give people good advice, and help people make good decisions.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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Midas, I won't debate you, you are on your way to Alaska and I wish you well there, I'm sure you'll love it. I simply say, in your own way, you have a way of throwing the barb against those who live here while seeming to enjoy and taking advantage of what it offers. Best of luck to you.
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