03-02-2011, 01:12 PM
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This type of talk, from either extreme of ideology, really bothers me. Why? Because you're playing right into the "system" that both extremes claim to hate. The 10% to 15% "extremes" of either direction simply foster hate and conceit and are fueled by extreme politicians and media personalities who have a vested interest in keeping the hate alive. This is a problem associated with both policital extremes, mind you.
If you assert a political position that causes you to hate a large portion of your fellow Americans, then I would highly suggest you reconsider it. The political discourse should exist to challenge one another, to sharpen one another, and to better one another. No one group "has it all right." We need each other so that we can be greater than the sum of our parts.
When anyone claims that we should divide up the country on politics, we lose what makes us strong: we lose our blending of ideas and the continual sharpening of ourselves which comes about from interacting and living with those around us, even those who have different ideas. I would encourage you, as a professed liberal, to embrace the "equality" and "acceptance" you claim you want and apply it to all Americans, not just select groups.
To simply change what group is the persecuted group from generation to generation does nothing. If you want humanity to grow, start with yourself before looking at society (I say this to myself as well as to you).
03-02-2011, 01:15 PM
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I guess the OP doesn't consider tolerant as a positive quality. The OP sounds incredibly INTOLERANT. So if someone doesn't share the same views they should keep their mouth shut or leave?
Ever been to Oklahoma? Kansas? South Dakota? Lets see how "tolerant" those places can be to people who are liberal.
But yes, I agree, if one a homophobe and for some reason you find yourself living in Seattle, they should either keep your views to yourself or you should leave.
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Is the OP truly "abortion loving?" Is that really what he/she meant? Do you really truly believe a society that values mankind thinks it is OK to abort 1.2 million pregancies per year in the US?
If abortion is murder, than masturbation is genocide. A fetus is nothing but sperm and an egg getting together. Just as it's not murder when I do with my sperm cells what ever I want to, it's not murder when a woman does with her embryo what ever she wants to.
Human life is human life, but a pile a goo in a placenta is NOT a life...that man on death row pleading to be given a chance, who's probably innocent anyway? Now that's a life.
03-02-2011, 01:29 PM
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I am an extremely liberal person living in "intolerant red state" Nebraska, which you have probably never been to, and have no problem here. There is no conservative gestapo crucifying people on the streets. There are tons of liberal people and Omaha's electoral vote went to Obama. I don't think that you are liberal at all, just very upset. I hope that you won't be upset forever because that would be a waste of your precious time on earth.
03-02-2011, 01:31 PM
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If you assert a political position that causes you to hate a large portion of your fellow Americans, then I would highly suggest you reconsider it. The political discourse should exist to challenge one another, to sharpen one another, and to better one another. No one group "has it all right." We need each other so that we can be greater than the sum of our parts.
When anyone claims that we should divide up the country on politics, we lose what makes us strong: we lose our blending of ideas and the continual sharpening of ourselves which comes about from interacting and living with those around us, even those who have different ideas. I would encourage you, as a professed liberal, to embrace the "equality" and "acceptance" you claim you want and apply it to all Americans, not just select groups.
Here's the problem: I do not live in the same country as people from the Deep South. Honestly, from a sociological prospective, what does your average citizen of New England or the Puget Sound have in common with your average Mississippian? Aside from (arguably) a common language, NOTHING.
I am all for America dissolving into smaller nation-states. I for one do not like the idea of states in which more than half of the residents do not believe in evolution having a say in how my state is run.
If they want to have an insane fundamentalist society that has no environmental regulations and a bunch of other nonsensical laws, let them. If the south was allowed to form another Confederacy they could be out of our hair forever.
I have been to the south multiple times and I can tell you we are not the same people. We in Seattle have more in common with Canadians than we do with Alabamans.
Oh, and if you don't believe me, Mississippi actually says that no one is allowed to hold elected office if they don't believe in a supreme being, section 265 of their constitution
CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI
Why should I consider a place like that to be the same country as Washington State, where an Atheist isn't allowed to hold office?
03-02-2011, 01:34 PM
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I am an extremely liberal person living in "intolerant red state" Nebraska, which you have probably never been to, and have no problem here. There is no conservative gestapo crucifying people on the streets. There are tons of liberal people and Omaha's electoral vote went to Obama.
I have been to Nebraska, passing through.
So, I suppose you can tell me with a straight face that two men casually walking down the streets of Nebraska while holding hands would be treated just as nonchalantly as they would in Seattle? Or interracial couples? Or I suppose a non-Christian or an atheist would be treated the same there as they would in Seattle?
03-02-2011, 01:44 PM
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[quote=seattlenextyear;18101128]I dunno. I'm liberal, but I think living in an area with a mix of political beliefs is healthy. It would be better for the entire country if both red and blue states were less extremely split. More liberals in the red areas, more conservatives in the blue areas. They balance things out.
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Or better yet, just let them have their own country, and we have ours. I'm personally keen on the idea of Washington, Oregon and Northern California breaking off and forming our own damn republic (Cascadia)
Imagine a world without Texas as part of the US:
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The worst part about Red America is the restaurant choices. Omaha is decidedly lacking in gastropubs with duck confit sliders. And I'm not sure how people even survive there without single origin coffee beans.
I agree 100%. Even their grocery stores suck. How can you live without a place to buy real salmon, fresh herbs, udon noodles, quinoa and seaweed?
We have Central Market....they have the Piggly Wiggly.
Nough said
03-02-2011, 01:58 PM
Location: Seattle, WA
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Here's the problem: I do not live in the same country as people from the Deep South. Honestly, from a sociological prospective, what does your average citizen of New England or the Puget Sound have in common with your average Mississippian?
Plenty. We like the same sports, celebrate the same holidays, and a portion of our citizens serves in the same armed forces. It's not all blue and red.
03-02-2011, 02:03 PM
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Or better yet, just let them have their own country, and we have ours. I'm personally keen on the idea of Washington, Oregon and Northern California breaking off and forming our own damn republic (Cascadia)
Imagine a world without Texas as part of the US:
So, you favor a place where everyone thinks the same way? Sounds incredibly boring! Sort of like having ice-cream morning, noon and night.
And as for Texas, I spent 7 years there, and loved it. And yes, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal.
03-02-2011, 02:29 PM
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I agree 100%. Even their grocery stores suck. How can you live without a place to buy real salmon, fresh herbs, udon noodles, quinoa and seaweed?
We have Central Market....they have the Piggly Wiggly.
Nough said
Wow. While I admit that it is hard to get good salmon here, we don't live in the 1950's. We have Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, and many local health markets/co-ops. I had quinoa for dinner the other night. There are plenty of gay people in Omaha, and they are not beaten just for stepping outside. Same is true for inter-racial couples. You are making it sound like Seattle is the only place that is enlightened enough to treat people nicely. That is not true. There are good and bad things about every city. While the scenery in Seattle may be better than here in Omaha, traffic there is a nightmare, which to me is not a good thing at all. You get the point.
03-02-2011, 02:38 PM
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Ever been to Oklahoma? Kansas? South Dakota? Lets see how "tolerant" those places can be to people who are liberal.
I've been there... Folks were nice. It wasn't because I wore a sign on me head saying I'm Conservative. They didn't know my ideology and I don't know theirs. They just were nice helpful folks, the definition of salt of the earth.
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I have been to Nebraska, passing through.
So, I suppose you can tell me with a straight face that two men casually walking down the streets of Nebraska while holding hands would be treated just as nonchalantly as they would in Seattle? Or interracial couples? Or I suppose a non-Christian or an atheist would be treated the same there as they would in Seattle?
Why don't you tell us with a straight face what happens? I mean, from your observation during your brief time in Nebraska. Not what you "heard".
Hate crimes happen here in Seattle as well... Hate crimes do happen in every city that's Liberal just as well. Hate is hate and happens everywhere, regardless of political ideology of a city/state.
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People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)