What are your favorite and least favorite neighborhoods in Seattle!? (Shoreline: living, zip codes)
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White Center has character. Many people might drive through there and decide they don't like it, but it's extremely multicultural ( Mexican butcher, Vietnamese soup, Salvadoran Bakery, African-American BBQ), it has a place that simply bakes pies( called 3.14, get it?), Proletariat Pizza ( great), and a Full Tilt ice cream. It's a vibrant neighborhood. It's also a neighborhood of mixed incomes, so you might see poor people on the street and people of color. That's why it's dismissed as "bad". You can't come out and say" Minorities frighten me, so I assume they're dangerous, I better hold onto my wallet", but you can talk about the " crime" or the "bad schools." It's code for " I really only like hangin out with rich white 20 somethings."
It's not a neighborhood full of 20 somethings acting cool. It's a real neighborhood, and one I like. White Center rocks!
White Center has character. Many people might drive through there and decide they don't like it, but it's extremely multicultural ( Mexican butcher, Vietnamese soup, Salvadoran Bakery, African-American BBQ), it has a place that simply bakes pies( called 3.14, get it?), Proletariat Pizza ( great), and a Full Tilt ice cream. It's a vibrant neighborhood. It's also a neighborhood of mixed incomes, so you might see poor people on the street and people of color. That's why it's dismissed as "bad". You can't come out and say" Minorities frighten me, so I assume they're dangerous, I better hold onto my wallet", but you can talk about the " crime" or the "bad schools." It's code for " I really only like hangin out with rich white 20 somethings."
It's not a neighborhood full of 20 somethings acting cool. It's a real neighborhood, and one I like. White Center rocks!
White Center might not be as bad as how most people perceive it to be but there are plenty of neighborhoods in Seattle that are much better in most people's view than White Center such as Downtown, Capital Hill, University District, West Seattle, Ballard, Queen Anne, International District, Wallingford, Fremont, First Hill, and Belltown. Also some other neighborhoods too.
I still wouldn't exactly say White Center has character, and vibrancy like the way those other neighborhoods do.
No, White Center is not perceived bad for those reasons you mentioned. It is more about other things, such as crime, bad schools, being kind of boring, and being too isolated from most other parts of Seattle. This is not directly related to racial diversity. If White Center was mostly white and still had crime problems, school problems, being kind of boring, and being too isolated from other parts of Seattle, people would still perceive it the same way.
White Center might not be as bad as how most people perceive it to be but there are plenty of neighborhoods in Seattle that are much better in most people's view than White Center such as Downtown, Capital Hill, University District, West Seattle, Ballard, Queen Anne, International District, Wallingford, Fremont, First Hill, and Belltown. Also some other neighborhoods too.
I still wouldn't exactly say White Center has character, and vibrancy like the way those other neighborhoods do.
... It's not really fair to compare WC to those neighborhoods you listed given that those neighborhoods have much more density, traffic and quite frankly is too close to the Downtown area (therefore, receives much benefits and attention). WC is further away from DT than the neighborhoods you mention, being 6 miles south of DT-- but it's still well served by public transit and sometimes even has less traffic congestion than some of the neighborhoods you listed.
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Originally Posted by Thepastpresentandfuture
No, White Center is not perceived bad for those reasons you mentioned. It is more about other things, such as crime, bad schools, being kind of boring, and being too isolated from most other parts of Seattle. This is not directly related to racial diversity. If White Center was mostly white and still had crime problems, school problems, being kind of boring, and being too isolated from other parts of Seattle, people would still perceive it the same way.
Evidently, you never heard of "Rat City"? My mother in law has talked about how WC was a honky tonk area. WC historically always been a poor, inner-ring suburb (from 1900- to now)... the only time it really had a boom time was after WWII til the Boeing Exit in the 70s. Boeing leaving Seattle in the 70s changed the racial makeup areas. Racial diversity isn't the problem-- but it definitely edged people away from WC for fear of safety and such.
White Center never recovered, til now... albeit slowly. What's nice about White Center is that it *has* improved, the WC main street is cute and it has so much potential.
White Center might not be as bad as how most people perceive it to be but there are plenty of neighborhoods in Seattle that are much better in most people's view than White Center such as Downtown, Capital Hill, University District, West Seattle, Ballard, Queen Anne, International District, Wallingford, Fremont, First Hill, and Belltown. Also some other neighborhoods too.
I still wouldn't exactly say White Center has character, and vibrancy like the way those other neighborhoods do.
No, White Center is not perceived bad for those reasons you mentioned. It is more about other things, such as crime, bad schools, being kind of boring, and being too isolated from most other parts of Seattle. This is not directly related to racial diversity. If White Center was mostly white and still had crime problems, school problems, being kind of boring, and being too isolated from other parts of Seattle, people would still perceive it the same way.
Ah yes, the code words.
If you look at crime stats, White Center's crime rate is lower than downtown Seattle, lower than Belltown, lower than First Hill, lower than the U District, and lower than the International District. So why is White center thought of as high crime? I can only think of one thing. It's less white.
Boring, maybe. That's why nobody's opinion on what's their favorite neighborhood is right or wrong. Me? I'm an old fart. A neighborhood where things are popping, and there's a lot of cool young white people around would not be one of my favorites.
... It's not really fair to compare WC to those neighborhoods you listed given that those neighborhoods have much more density, traffic and quite frankly is too close to the Downtown area (therefore, receives much benefits and attention). WC is further away from DT than the neighborhoods you mention, being 6 miles south of DT-- but it's still well served by public transit and sometimes even has less traffic congestion than some of the neighborhoods you listed.
Evidently, you never heard of "Rat City"? My mother in law has talked about how WC was a honky tonk area. WC historically always been a poor, inner-ring suburb (from 1900- to now)... the only time it really had a boom time was after WWII til the Boeing Exit in the 70s. Boeing leaving Seattle in the 70s changed the racial makeup areas. Racial diversity isn't the problem-- but it definitely edged people away from WC for fear of safety and such.
White Center never recovered, til now... albeit slowly. What's nice about White Center is that it *has* improved, the WC main street is cute and it has so much potential.
Well, I agree with you that White Center is making a slow recovery, that it has improved, and that it has potential.
But someone can still compare White Center to other neighborhoods in Seattle if they want to, especially if they are listing their favorite and least favorite neighborhoods in Seattle.
Personally, I still like Downtown, Capital Hill, University District,
West Seattle, Queen Anne, International District, Ballard, Fremont, Wallingford, Belltown, and First Hill much more than White Center for neighborhoods in Seattle.
But you know what? White Center is NOT in Seattle, so you can't compare it to neighborhoods within the Seattle city limits. White Center is in the North Highline unincorporated area. Roxbury Street is the border, and White Center is south of it. It's like saying that Shoreline is your least favorite neighborhood in Seattle. Or Lake Forest Park.
Ah yes, the code words.
If you look at crime stats, White Center's crime rate is lower than downtown Seattle, lower than Belltown, lower than First Hill, lower than the U District, and lower than the International District. So why is White center thought of as high crime? I can only think of one thing. It's less white.
Boring, maybe. That's why nobody's opinion on what's their favorite neighborhood is right or wrong. Me? I'm an old fart. A neighborhood where things are popping, and there's a lot of cool young white people around would not be one of my favorites.
Wow. Does White Center really have lower crime rate recently than those other neighborhoods you mentioned? That is surprising to me.
I still don't think White Center is perceived the way it is lately by most people because of racial demographics in that neighborhood. It seems to be for other reasons.
I assume that for a long time before recently White Center did have higher crime than other neighborhoods in Seattle and it still has that reputation because of its history.
It is also still perceived a bad neighborhood by most because it is kind of boring compared to some other Seattle neighborhoods, kind of isolated from those other neighborhoods, not so great schools there, and also not as much character and vibrancy as some other Seattle neighborhoods.
However, I do think White Center improved from how it was before, and that it has potential, and it can make further improvements.
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But you know what? White Center is NOT in Seattle, so you can't compare it to neighborhoods within the Seattle city limits. White Center is in the North Highline unincorporated area. Roxbury Street is the border, and White Center is south of it. It's like saying that Shoreline is your least favorite neighborhood in Seattle. Or Lake Forest Park.
Oh. I thought White Center was in Seattle city limits. Is it a recent thing for White Center not officially being in Seattle?
Oh. I thought White Center was in Seattle city limits. Is it a recent thing for White Center not officially being in Seattle?
Nope.
West Seattle was its own city, but was incorporated into city limits so long ago. Every now and then, those residents do talk about taking themselves out-- but I think it's already too entrenched and people won't push too much/fight to get out.
Oh. I thought White Center was in Seattle city limits. Is it a recent thing for White Center not officially being in Seattle?
Nope, it's never been part of Seattle. It might become part of either Seattle or Burien, because the county wants to get rid of all unincorporated areas. But in the meantime, my favorite neighborhood in New York City is New Jersey
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Is it a recent thing for White Center not officially being in Seattle?
