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Old 12-03-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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It sad to see that seattle would of had a subway system a long time ago. I have lived in a few cities and visited many, and for its population and size, we need a good subway system. Looking at Martha in Atlanta, it was supposed to be here. by 2023, the link would be going to the eastside, and would go as north as lynnwood if everything goes well. I would assume it will be a good system by 2035 if they continue to build extensions, maybe to west seattle, fremont, ballard, etc.
We'll only have a good system by 3035 if we start working on it now. We can't wait for other municipalities to decide they are ready for more, they don't need fast reliable transit as desperately as we do.

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Old 12-03-2011, 06:03 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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Where do I sign up to stop the subway from being built? This is a waste of money.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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Where do I sign up to stop the subway from being built? This is a waste of money.
You don't! But if you're leaving Seattle, why would you care? It won't be your money.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:13 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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You don't! But if you're leaving Seattle, why would you care? It won't be your money.
The money comes out of the same federal pot used by the rest of the country for more worthwhile mass transit projects that deserve the funding. Seattle doesn't deserve a subway.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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The money comes out of the same federal pot used by the rest of the country for more worthwhile mass transit projects that deserve the funding. Seattle doesn't deserve a subway.
Who are you to make such a sweeping statement?

Furthermore, if Seattle doesn't deserve a subway,what city does?

Since you have nothing but disdain for this great city and its people I suggest you step aside and let those of us who actually care decide on its future.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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It's a fun thought experiment, but it's never going to happen. It's too expensive, the Seattle process is glacially slow and ever-changing, and there will be elections every year from one side or the other challenging it. This is a city that can't even come up with the money or the political will to repair potholes. Coming up with the tens of billions of dollars that it would take to pay for it is a political non-starter.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:36 AM
 
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It's a fun thought experiment, but it's never going to happen. It's too expensive, the Seattle process is glacially slow and ever-changing, and there will be elections every year from one side or the other challenging it. This is a city that can't even come up with the money or the political will to repair potholes. Coming up with the tens of billions of dollars that it would take to pay for it is a political non-starter.
This will only never happen if people who support it don't do anything about it.

People said we'd never build Link. While, yes, it had a shaky start, it's been chugging along nicely the last few years. First Central Link, then Airport Link, now U-Link coming online in a few more years, the S. 200th Street Extension, then East Link and North Link.

We already ARE building a subway system. We just don't want to wait for the rest of the county to decide when and how fast they want to expand the system we're already building. We want to work with Sound Transit to expand our existing and proven system as soon as reasonably possible.


As to the potholes, I have to ask, have you called? The response time now for potholes is less than 24 hours. But they can only fix potholes people call in. If all you do is drive by and complain to yourself nothing will get done.

Seattle Department of Transportation: Pothole Repair
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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As you can see below, Seattle is having major problems just maintaining the streets that it has. The pothole rangers can put in a temporary patch, but you'll be calling them back in a year to fix it again. We don't have the political will to take care of what we own, and instead we are spending money painting new bike and car lanes over broken pavement.

Tom Rasmussen Blog Archive All about Potholes and Road Maintenance

Seattle does not have sufficient funds to maintain and repair its streets adequately. In 2006, with the passage of the nine-year Bridging the Gap levy, an additional $365 million became available for transportation maintenance and repairs.

However, since 2008, because of the recession, SDOT has experienced a significant drop in its traditional revenues sources. State Gas Tax revenue has declined by 2% and the General Fund (comprised of sales tax, property taxes, B&O taxes and utility taxes) has declined 21% and Real Estate Excise Tax has declined by 60%.

SDOT’s non-Bridging the Gap revenues (adjusted for inflation) have declined from $81 million in 2008 to $59.7 million in 2010. A decline of 26%.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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As you can see below, Seattle is having major problems just maintaining the streets that it has. The pothole rangers can put in a temporary patch, but you'll be calling them back in a year to fix it again. We don't have the political will to take care of what we own, and instead we are spending money painting new bike and car lanes over broken pavement.

Tom Rasmussen Blog Archive All about Potholes and Road Maintenance

Seattle does not have sufficient funds to maintain and repair its streets adequately. In 2006, with the passage of the nine-year Bridging the Gap levy, an additional $365 million became available for transportation maintenance and repairs.

However, since 2008, because of the recession, SDOT has experienced a significant drop in its traditional revenues sources. State Gas Tax revenue has declined by 2% and the General Fund (comprised of sales tax, property taxes, B&O taxes and utility taxes) has declined 21% and Real Estate Excise Tax has declined by 60%.

SDOT’s non-Bridging the Gap revenues (adjusted for inflation) have declined from $81 million in 2008 to $59.7 million in 2010. A decline of 26%.
Even with the decline in revenue due to the recession Bridging the Gap is doing what it was supposed to do, by first stopping the maintenance backlog from growing, and then starting to close the gap. No it won't have the backlog cleared when it's nine years runs out. You can't repair half a century of deferred maintenance overnight. Unless you want to spend exponentially more money by bringing in out of state crews and effectively shutting the city down by closing half the streets at the same time.

We're doing what we can when it comes to road repair and when Bridging the Gap comes up again for a vote, we'll vote for it again, probably even increasing it like we did for the Family and Education Levy.

But road work isn't the only thing we've deferred for half a century. We've also neglected to really build a transit system. Before Link came on in '09 we were the largest city in the nation with a Bus Only transit system (Waterfront Streetcar and S.L.U.T. don't count as they were/are only single lines). For a city that prides itself on it's green credentials and forward thinking we completely dropped the ball in terms of transit.

Seattle is a big city, with a smart and growing population. We have the ability to juggle both the road maintenance and transit expansion balls at the same time. Not only can we, but we have to. Already congestion is taking it's toll and only more people and more jobs will be coming into the city (take a look at all the cranes on the skyline). Once the recession is over this will only accelerate. We've got to start working NOW on building out a transit system to accommodate both the population we have and that which is coming.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA! Finally! :D
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You don't! But if you're leaving Seattle, why would you care? It won't be your money.
Yeah, please don't try to ruin it for the rest of us just because you are not happy there!
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