Is Seattle Too Liberal? (Spokane: sales, apartment, buy)

[artriotnow]

I am currently in South Carolina and I think its far too old timey and conservative. I guess I am more of a moderate so I am wondering if Seattle is too liberal , but given the choice I guess I'd choose too liberal over too conservative.

[movingwiththewind]

Nowhere in the US is too liberal.

[SpikeDurden]

Originally Posted by movingwiththewind

Nowhere in the US is too liberal.

BS.

I'm not conservative. I'm pretty socially liberal, but some places can indeed be way too liberal. When you start banning large sodas, happy meals, and taking away other personal liberties because YOU think it's in the peoples best interest, you're getting too liberal (I'm looking at you, San Francisco.) There's nothing good about a nanny state. When the government starts deciding what is best for your body, they're getting too liberal. Ironically, liberals are completely against the government getting too involved with sexual health, with birth control, abortion, etc... but they're fine with the government forcing their nutritional laws. Makes no sense. Same concept.

I wouldn't say Seattle is too liberal. You'll find all types of people in the surrounding area, although some liberal aspects of Seattle are incredibly annoying. The only thing that really bugs me is that people are overly PC about everything. You have to be so careful about what you joke about, to the point of ridiculousness. Living in Chicago after Seattle is refreshing because people are more laid back and have a much better sense of humor about those jokes. Which is funny because Seattle is overwhelmingly white. You have to be much careful about everything you say for fear of some Seattleite with vaginitis thinking the offense that they take to what you say actually matters or means something. Horses are sometimes quite high in Seattle.

[Apathizer]

That's a very difficult question to answer on a message board. I would describe Seattle as a socially liberal, pro-business (esp corporations) city. It might seems oxymoronic for a city to be liberal and strongly pro-business, but that's the best way I can describe it.

It's also difficult to explain because the municipal attitudes/policies of Seattle intermingle with those of the state, which are all over the political map: W WA is generally very liberal (esp Seattle) while E WA is moderate (Spokane) to highly conservative (pretty much everywhere else).

Overall, I would describe WA as sociall liberal (esp Seattle) and economically moderate to conservative. Even though E WA isn't as socially liberal, I think it's becoming more so (as is much of the rest of the country). In terms of taxation, there's a high state sales tax (even higher in Seattle), and no income tax. These, and other aspects of tax laws, tend to make WA one of the most regressive tax states in the union: lower and middle income residents generally pay a much higher percentage of taxes relative to income than higher income residents. Popular support for a state income tax seems to be gradually increasing, but hasn't happened (yet?).

That's about as well as I can describe it without writing an essay-lengh post.

[movingwiththewind]

Originally Posted by SpikeDurden

BS.

I'm not conservative. I'm pretty socially liberal, but some places can indeed be way too liberal. When you start banning large sodas, happy meals, and taking away other personal liberties because YOU think it's in the peoples best interest, you're getting too liberal (I'm looking at you, San Francisco.) There's nothing good about a nanny state. When the government starts deciding what is best for your body, they're getting too liberal. Ironically, liberals are completely against the government getting too involved with sexual health, with birth control, abortion, etc... but they're fine with the government forcing their nutritional laws. Makes no sense. Same concept.

I wouldn't say Seattle is too liberal. You'll find all types of people in the surrounding area, although some liberal aspects of Seattle are incredibly annoying. The only thing that really bugs me is that people are overly PC about everything. You have to be so careful about what you joke about, to the point of ridiculousness. Living in Chicago after Seattle is refreshing because people are more laid back and have a much better sense of humor about those jokes. Which is funny because Seattle is overwhelmingly white. You have to be much careful about everything you say for fear of some Seattleite with vaginitis thinking the offense that they take to what you say actually matters or means something. Horses are sometimes quite high in Seattle.

You're "pretty" socially liberal? Well, that "pretty" thing (and the rest of your post) explains why you think my previous post is BS. And some of the examples you used in your post may have nothing to do with being liberal?

No, my previous post is not BS. San Francisco (the example of a "too liberal" city in the US that you used in your post) may seem liberal comparing to other US cities, but comparing with other developed world countries (Canada, EU...), NOWHERE in the US is too liberal, SF included.

[sean98125]

Seattle is a weird hybrid of liberalism and corporatism.

No, you can't have a plastic bag with your groceries. We're going to reduce traffic capacity on this arterial so we can install a bike lane. We're going the buy electric cars for our city pool, even though they are twice as much as an equivalently sized gas-powered car.

Yes, we will give you $200 million to build a for-profit sports arena. Yes, we'll let you put advertisements in our school lunch rooms. Don't worry, the public comment period on your new giant apartment building project is just for appearances - of course you'll be able to build it. Of course, Mr. Allen, you can build offices for 10,000 more workers in downtown Seattle - and we'll spend $500 million in infrastructure improvements to help you that we wouldn't otherwise need.

It's like they've put Boss Tweed in a green suit.

[SpikeDurden]

Originally Posted by movingwiththewind

You're "pretty" socially liberal? Well, that "pretty" thing (and the rest of your post) explains why you think my previous post is BS. And some of the examples you used in your post may have nothing to do with being liberal?

Yes, they all have to do with being liberal because really liberal politicians pass the laws that ban large sodas, plastic bags, happy meals, etc... and force their arbitrary health standards on people which limits personal liberties. Why would you compare the liberalness with cities of other nations? They have completely different cultures and ideas of what constitutes liberal. Seattle, in comparison with American cities, is pretty damn liberal. I don't know what defines TOO liberal, but someone from N.C. might find it to be so.

[Transmition]

Originally Posted by SpikeDurden

Ironically, liberals are completely against the government getting too involved with sexual health, with birth control, abortion, etc... but they're fine with the government forcing their nutritional laws. Makes no sense. Same concept.

Only if you have no idea what liberalism is and mix it with socialism. They aren't the same thing, even if liberals in the US tend to be socialists too.

[movingwiththewind]

Originally Posted by SpikeDurden

Why would you compare the liberalness with cities of other nations?

Because if the whole country is not liberal, than neither is any of its cities.

[Inkpoe]

Originally Posted by movingwiththewind

Because if the whole country is not liberal, than neither is any of its cities.

This has to be a first.


Are you also contending that there are no liberal people in the US as well?