Official "Seattle Freeze" Discussion Thread (Bellevue, Redmond: daycare, price)
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The only city I've ever been to that was that friendly was Chicago!
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Now here we disagree. I find Chicago brogadoccio (sp) irritating. Funny thing is that any other metro area fanning out from there (St Louis, Indy, Milwaukee) doesn't have this annoying bravura and people are friendly and down to earth.
For some reason, I get along super well with Northeasterners and not so well with Chicagoans. I think NEs are secure in knowing that they come from one of the world's most interesting cities (NY) or one of the country's most historical (BOS or PHL).
The other thing is the 2 hour driving radius test. Spin a 2 hour driving radius around Chi-town and what is there? Not a hell of a lot. Spin a 2 hour driving radius around NYC and what is there? A helluva lot.
[quote=VeronikaW;3350838]The thing is, most of us aren't talking about walking in downtown San Diego, we're talking about walking around our neighborhoods, meeting people on the street around the places we live. If you do that in the Gaslamp, of course people are going to look at you funny, they'll think you're a whackjob or a tourist. It's not something that can be experienced just by visiting. Just like when my husband came to Seattle to interview for his job, he thought it was the greatest place on earth. Then we moved here, and it's a totally different experience. You can't base comparisons on just visiting vs. living somewhere.
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Yes, Veronica is right. I won't strike up a conversation with someone I'm passing by in the Gaslamp district but in my neighborhood, if I'm going for a walk and I pass someone, most will smile and say "hello or good morning". In my local grocery store the clerks will strike up a friendly conversation with you. The ladies at the gym, the moms at the parks, the pools, the beaches. Sometimes in line if there is a wait, people are generally friendly.
Someone mentioned feeling like they were "at a morgue" at social gatherings in Seattle. That's how we felt when we went to parties up there. I don't know if it's that they are necessarily "unfriendly" or "rude" but just very different and reserved.
People have different attitudes about kids. I was watching the View and one of thewomen said when her kids get too rambuctious she loads them into the car and takes them to a department store in the afternoon. The place is not too crowded, and she can shop and let her kids run around and go nuts and allow the sales people to 'take care of them'.
Shocking, that people live in this country all their lives and can think this is appropriate behavior, not even feeling so ashamed that she cannot control her kids and considers that she should burdon others with them.
I've had times in resteraunts ruined because I could not speak to the person across the table, but had to yell because of some unruly kids at the next table.
Parents, years back, if the kids acted up, would stop everythig and pack the kids in a car and bring them home for a good lecturing. My folks would not go out with me until I proved I was old enough to have enough self control to behave myself in public. People used to feel humiliated if their children behaved like brats. Today, it is your problem if you don't like the screaming.
There are some kids in our church who are just wonderful, but it is a family from India. If they raise their voices or start to lose self control, mom takes them out of the room. Would that Americans would be considerate enough to follow this example.
I just agree so MUCH with this comment. I am so tired of living around unruly kids. I remember the same things. Parents would not take you out if you couldn't, in my Mother's terms "ACT RIGHT". And yes they would pull you out of r a good lecturing...uh, huh...and sometimes the belt did the lecturing for them...at least in my family...and I didn't die, and I love my parents, and I turned out quite well. So, I sold on Seattle. :-)
Yo, Scirocco, the party's moved over here. "Y'all jump on in, the water's fine."
Yes, you are right, compared to living in Nevada, one ought to kiss, or even lick, the ground if they could live in the greater Seattle area.
The alienation factor in Las Vegas or Reno is probably beyond description, especially for intelligent, thoughtful, and articulate professionals. I have never seen so much "white trash" in my life. In fact, when you ask some people about these cities, people say "well, Las Vegas is a transient town" or "well, Reno is a transient town." Once people find out how skanky they are, they transit right on through. LOL.
I have a good friend I grew up with in Los Angeles (an Italian, hooray!) who, several years ago, said "Hey, Robert, why don't you come to Las Vegas? You could buy a kick-a$$ house." She is ecstatic to have bought an awesome new home she could have not afforded in So. Cal, but I think the ecstasy stops there, because I don't see much quality in the friends, and in the friendships, she has made. I also did the "Starbucks test," sitting in coffeehouses even in nice areas like Summerlin or Henderson and thought "OMG, there is NOBODY I would want to know in these places."
So, the PNW has it over NV and many booming inland Southwestern cities in a BIG way, though, in my mind, there are better places than the PNW for people who value interpersonal relations.
That is why I am here...looking for the nearest exit OUT OF LAS VEGAS! It is EVERYTHING you say. What a weird place! I absolutely detest it here. Los Angeles has it's, well you know, but I REGRET moving to this place. My sweetie pie graduates from UNLV this year and I have said as soon as you get that degree we're marching str8 to the airport; We're outta here! Seattle sound nice.
Back to the person who said there is no "character" as far as homes in the sunbelt.
Yea, then you must be forgetting the whole mid century modern movement. Where some of the greatest architects in this century created iconic homes and neighborhoods in the Los Angeles and Palm Springs areas.
Duh, haven't you ever heard of Pierre Koenig or Richard Neutra?
Ever major city is guilty of "cookie cutter" tract homes and I've seen them in Seattle.
Back to the person who said there is no "character" as far as homes in the sunbelt.
Yea, then you must be forgetting the whole mid century modern movement. Where some of the greatest architects in this century created iconic homes and neighborhoods in the Los Angeles and Palm Springs areas.
Duh, haven't you ever heard of Pierre Koenig or Richard Neutra?
Ever major city is guilty of "cookie cutter" tract homes and I've seen them in Seattle.
Resident poster toughguy said "no character" in the Sunbelt. You're right, some interesting and even wacked out architecture exists in the Sunbelt.
Right, in the late 80s or early 90s, it was Northwest chateau (arch top windows in the main part of the house or in "cute" dormers) or Northwest traditional/transitional. Now, except for the occasional modern home, it's virtually all Craftsman in SEA or PDX, which I detest. They look "old" from the get-go.
...except that the actual old houses, the real craftsmen, have some charm.
The new pseudo craftsmen are often built cheaply, without the ornamentation of the real thing.
I just agree so MUCH with this comment. I am so tired of living around unruly kids. I remember the same things. Parents would not take you out if you couldn't, in my Mother's terms "ACT RIGHT". And yes they would pull you out of r a good lecturing...uh, huh...and sometimes the belt did the lecturing for them...at least in my family...and I didn't die, and I love my parents, and I turned out quite well. So, I sold on Seattle. :-)
On one hand, I think people may have kids because its expected, the thing to do, what the folks expect of them. Then, they realize it is a heavy commitment for a good chunk of their lives.
On the other hand, parents are both so busy these days, jobs are so demanding that often two people are expected to do the job of three and overtime with no pay is the norm, as is working at home. 'Flex' time and the ability to work at home has turned into a boon for businesses, because people now no longer put in the old standard eight hour day.
So parents often neglect their kids, feel guilty over it, and think they are doing the kids a favor by allowing them to go wild.
Often, the parents are so tired and overworked that they just scream at the kids.
Why do they bother to reproduce if they cannot do a good job? To get the warm fuzzies that perhaps their parents never gave them? If they had 'family learning' classes in high school perhaps teens might become more responsible adults who can face the realities of family life.
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