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The prior conversation on women's rights and how they relate to their attractiveness highlights a growing admission among women that "they can't have their cake and eat it too" and realizing the same issues and stresses that men face with careers, dating, starting a family, etc.
A couple women I know said recently to a NOW group when talking to them "I don't want a penis. I LIKE cooking, I LIKE being able to focus on a clean home and a good environment to raise children, and I LIKE having time to establish a hobby, or perhaps a secondary part-time income. What's wrong with that? Further why in the world would I want a feminine man?"
Another woman I know said she pities men because today they're held to impossible standards and betrays just how crazy women can be.
Strong yet never showing it. Stands up for opinions held yet meek and defers always. It's like you are telling him to be two polar opposites at the same time! And this confusing messages that men get while being raised show in a lot of the guys I know. I tell them to stop trying to have a vagina and just be a man and be yourself. I gave up trying to be some feminists' image of a man in my late teens and never looked back, and got more dates as a result of it too. Feel great and found a wonderful woman by just being myself.
Anyway, point is, I laugh whenever I hear someone say what a man or woman should be. Just be yourselves, ... Christ. It's that reason why I welcome fewer women wearing makeup in Seattle; I get to see exactly what I'm chasing after (if I were still single). Few women in the area don't mind looking like slobs. Anyone who honestly believes that has serious delusions and social standards that are stupid to let go of.
I realize this is going to be inflammatory right from the start, but I really need to get at the heart of this question. I'm born and raised in Seattle, and most of my young adult life I've been told by friends that moved here that women are generally better-looking in other cities. I didn't believe it, and grouped it in with other newcomer complaints (the weather, the traffic, the "Freeze", etc.), but I'm now fully convinced it is both very true and actually quite an understatement.
I just returned from a 3-month US tour for a promotion gig I got out of college. During the tour, we went to numerous states and cities. Too many to list, but some of the stops were in LA, Austin, NYC, Chicago, and Miami. This was my first time traveling so extensively outside of the Pacific Northwest, so I didn't know what to expect as far as the women I would meet. Now, I'm a single guy, so as a disclaimer, looking for an attractive woman is pretty much all I'm about at this stage in my life. As such, here is what I've noticed about Seattle women compared to the hotties in other cities:
1. Seattle women don't do much to make themselves appealing. Many women in other cities, no matter the occasion, usually wear make-up and style their hair. Not being used to this, I was really floored by how much more attractive these little details can make women look. For the first month or so, in LA and Austin, I truly felt like every woman I saw was model material. My question: women of Seattle, why don't you even try to "spruce yourself up" a little bit? Why are you always make-up-less and have your hair bunched up in a pony-tail? Worse, why do you opt for non-prescription glasses instead of make-up? It almost seems like your purposely going in the OPPOSITE direction of hotness...
2. Seattle women do not wear sexy clothing. Not saying I want to undress every woman with my eyes, but Damn! women in other cities sure know how to show off the goods. Why is every woman in Seattle dressed in jeans and a sweatshirt 9 months out of the year? I know people cite the weather as a factor, but apparently, based on conversations I've had, the mini-dresses don't go back in the closet during the winter in NYC and Chicago - women continue wearing them despite 15-degree weather. So what's with the puritanical streak here in Seattle? Who told women it was immoral to show some flesh every now and then?
3. There have to be some sorts of hereditary or environmental factors affecting the physical attractiveness of Seattle women. Compared to women in most cities, Seattle women appear "mousy". They lack the full features, large bright eyes, sensuality, and general "model" look of women in other cities. Is this because of a highly German or Scandinavian influence? Are women in other parts of the US more affected by Spanish, Italian, or some other ancestral traits? I don't know.
4. Beyond physical attractiveness, Seattle women don't appear as healthy as the women in the other cities. I was amazed by how tall, fit, strong, tanned, and just... HEALTHY... a lot of women in these cities appeared. Do they eat better, work out more, or again is it just hereditary? This is the most striking difference to me. When I came back to Seattle, every women seemed about 4" shorter, 30 lbs lighter (but not in better shape), and 10 shades paler.
5. Women outside of Seattle smile. Like constantly. They laugh at everything and seem to always find amusement in life. I know what everyone says about us Seattlites - the "Freeze", the cold demeanors, etc. - but a smile literally makes a woman about 50 times more attractive. Along these lines, I noticed the rarity of finding a girl buried in her phone when she was out socializing. It contrast to Seattle women, a girl out for the night is engaging with those around her, happy, and sometimes even sexually aggressive.
I really would love some answer to these questions. Why don't the women of Seattle practice what appear to be very common beauty and fashion habits? Do they not want to be beautiful? Is that just not a goal here? If so, why? And WHY OH WHY do I live in the only place that women don't want to be beautiful?!
Dude, I feel ya. I just got back from a two-week trip to to the NW. Long enough to make some scientific observations.
I didn't read the replies to this thread (too many) but I will answer simply:
If you want a dumb blonde with so much silicone in her boobs that if you squeeze them a microchip will pop out who wears more make up than the average circus clown and three strings and a napkin for clothing, you are in the wrong city.
Are Seattle women unattractive? It depends on what you mean.
I personally don't go after "mode" types who wear designer clothing. As long as she isn't fat (a few extra pounds is one thing, but when the back of your neck looks like a pack of hot dogs...) and isn't hairy (call me old fashioned but I believe the man is the only one in a heterosexual relationship who has facial hair) I am fine with her looks. Than it is about something that makes (for me) Seattle a much better market than NYC: INTELLIGENCE.
By all means, get yourself a NYC or LA fashion victim who thinks Roe Vs Wade is a boxing match, thinks a socialist is someone who goes to high end parties and events and can't find Canada on a map. By all means, take the girl who couldn't read her way through a book of matches and will only have more than one brain cell in her body if she was pregnant.
Give me a average looking, flannel wearing Seattle girl who can carry a conversation about existentialism, world history and comparative Mythology any day.
I didn't read the replies to this thread (too many) but I will answer simply:
If you want a dumb blonde with so much silicone in her boobs that if you squeeze them a microchip will pop out who wears more make up than the average circus clown and three strings and a napkin for clothing, you are in the wrong city.
Are Seattle women unattractive? It depends on what you mean.
I personally don't go after "mode" types who wear designer clothing. As long as she isn't fat (a few extra pounds is one thing, but when the back of your neck looks like a pack of hot dogs...) and isn't hairy (call me old fashioned but I believe the man is the only one in a heterosexual relationship who has facial hair) I am fine with her looks. Than it is about something that makes (for me) Seattle a much better market than NYC: INTELLIGENCE.
By all means, get yourself a NYC or LA fashion victim who thinks Roe Vs Wade is a boxing match, thinks a socialist is someone who goes to high end parties and events and can't find Canada on a map. By all means, take the girl who couldn't read her way through a book of matches and will only have more than one brain cell in her body if she was pregnant.
Give me a average looking, flannel wearing Seattle girl who can carry a conversation about existentialism, world history and comparative Mythology any day.
Or how about a woman who thinks Russian women are bought with sheep and goats?? You should have read some of the last replies.. I think the last post proves that there are plenty of Seattle women who are a bit below average in the intelligence realm. Personally, I don't think Seattle women are so amazingly intelligent.. Perhaps, they don't act as air-headed and simple-minded as some of the gaudy, makeup smothered, plastic princesses you see in the other cities, but they can be just as full of themselves, ignorant and simple-minded, despite their earthy looks and pseudo-intellectual attitudes. I actually find they are more closed-minded and judgmental as some of the synthetic, barbie types. In the end, people act a certain way, dress a certain way and even "think" a ceratin way to fit into the society and be accepted by their peers.
Being from someplace else, I would say that the attractiveness of the people here all relates to attitude. The attitude here is just plain different and it correlates to how people put themselves out there. It is like how those who said they would like to see women take care of themselves and make an effort with their looks have been called barbie-loving misogynists, when none ever said they wanted 6' tall blondes with plastic breasts and inflated lips. This is all right up there with the conversation about how socially inept Seattlites are. Instead of accepting that "hey, maybe there are some things I need to change if so many people feel that way" they will make excuses for their behavior. It is all from the same attitude, which in turn I think probably makes the women seem even more unattractive. The men are another story all together...
Women can be attractive without loads of makeup, even without any. And yes the weather is hard on the hair, so you don't need to pile products on it. But you can moisturize your face and make that PNW complexion shine, put your hair that is going to get rained on back in a sexy bun, put on some clothes that FIT. You cannot tell me that if a pretty girl did this, she couldn't put on a warm sweater (yes you need to stay warm in Seattle), a long slim skirt and tights (again cover up from the rain), some tall boots (again, sexy and waterproof), slip on her most intellectual looking glasses and half the men in town wouldn't be imagining her as the sexy secretary.... all without looking like Barbie. So it is not about being fake, just take a minute and make an effort and for GOD SAKES FREAKING SMILE!!!!
Come to California. Especially Orange County, it has to be the conceited twit capital of the West Coast. Parts of L.A. County, San Francisco and Sacramento aren't much better (although we do better away from our major cities).
Come to California. Especially Orange County, it has to be the conceited twit capital of the West Coast. Parts of L.A. County, San Francisco and Sacramento aren't much better (although we do better away from our major cities).
Seattle is the frown capital of the world.. Sorry, even California cannot hold a candle.. I am serious, the women here do not smile.. The men in Seattle do smile more often, but the women are have a perma-frown.. I think this has something to do with their upbringing.. Many are of Scandinavian descent, so perhaps, public displays of emotion and affection or greatly looked down upon in Seattle. I lived in California and despite how mean, unfriendly or conceited Californians could be, I have never seen this frown phenomenon like I do in Seattle. Trust me, you look at the faces of the people here and you ask your self, "Why cannot you stop frowning?"
Thank you for proving my point about Seattle women.. The fact that they are cold, unfriendly and never smile obviously means that us evil men have ulterior motives, like wanting to use them as our sex toys and for evil devious pleasures..
Seriously, get your head out of your feminist rectum and stop using the Huffington Post as your source of wisdom.
BTW, it isn't just the women in Seattle who are not friendly and smile, the men as well, but the women are even colder and more unfriendly. It has nothing to do with wanting them for entertainment.
G-d, people who make comments like yours are seriously the reason this place is as screwed up as it is..
News Flash.. Not all men are rapists and predators.. No, we didn't start all the wars.. Last I checked, Queen Elizabeth was every bit as ruthless of a dictator as the others, and, yes, she was a woman!
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