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Old 08-15-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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You know...I can see from watching this conversation that the language used has different meanings for each person. I've seen "right wing," "left wing," "socialist," "communist," "fascist," "liberal," "conservative," all of these words in this conversation used in dramatically different ways. How on earth can any discussion come to any conclusion when the fundamental meaning of the words you use are different for each person? Imagine having a conversation with someone about pie...you're talking about the pastry and the other person is talking about pizzas but neither of you bother to sit down and understand what the other is saying...to you the person saying pie should have cheese and tomato sauce on it seems ridiculous and absolutely nonsensical and likewise you saying a pizza should have bananas and whipped cream is equally strange. So you spend an hour debating, nobody bothering to actually know what the other person is saying, and you both leave upset and convinced the other person is absolutely insane. That's a poor example because most people know what pies and pizzas are and at an early stage in the conversation one or both of you will realize what the other is talking about...plus there exists dessert pizzas with bananas and whipped cream and a pie shell with cheese and marinara sauce sounds pretty good...but that's off topic. From what I've seen most people don't actually know what these political words mean, they only glean the meaning from context of where they hear them and end up associating those words with individuals who they've heard identified with those words. Then the words end up meaning anything they like (or dislike) about that person.
You have a point but now I'm hungry.

Rotse, I think you're obsessed with Hitler.
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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Sorry, for misunderstanding.

What baffles me is how anyone could give money to any organization that treats some human beings worse than others because of their sexual orientation, and that would deny any two people the basic right to be married and happy for the rest of their lives. Yep, that's what baffles me.
Because if you do that will companies that have questionable politics or practices life becomes impossible.

Everyone picks their own battles and you can't fight all of them.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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Yes.

You can only respect religious freedom until such time as it interferes with someones personal freedom, or in this case sexual freedom. Just ask any of the Yazidi people in Iraq. I'm sure you will find that the religious freedom ISIS now has, has greatly imp[acted the personal freedom of the Kurds or Yazidi people. Religion is the only difference and committing great crimes, travesties, in the name of religion will ultimately be the downfall of man. Many would argue it already has been.
Religion isn't the problem, human greed is.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Keizer, OR
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I'm gay myself and I think their food is delicious. I'm happy they're coming up here, I miss having them.
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Old 08-16-2014, 06:44 AM
 
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Congratulations on having perspective. Seriously.
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I'm gay myself and I think their food is delicious. I'm happy they're coming up here, I miss having them.
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Old 08-16-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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Congratulations on having perspective. Seriously.
Yeah really who cares about their political affiliations, they have good food. Not like you are going to start believing in God when you bite into one of their sandwiches. Who cares, plenty of other places have the same agendas but they just don't advertise it.
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Yeah really who cares about their political affiliations, they have good food. Not like you are going to start believing in God when you bite into one of their sandwiches. Who cares, plenty of other places have the same agendas but they just don't advertise it.
The manager of a Burger King could be spending every night at the cancer center playing guitar and cheering up all the patients, and I still wouldn't go to Burger King because the food tastes like filth.

This sentiment operates the opposite way as well.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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Because if you do that will companies that have questionable politics or practices life becomes impossible.

Everyone picks their own battles and you can't fight all of them.
Yes, seriously. I used to hold such notions until one day somebody brought up "conflict chocolate". I realize then that you can find anything morally wrong with everything if you go seeking it. At this rate, maybe the Amish were onto something (and even then I'm sure someone will find something morally reprehensible about them).
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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Esoteric, yet aesthetic metaphor. Dang, you left (on the map) coasters are sharp.
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Yes, seriously. I used to hold such notions until one day somebody brought up "conflict chocolate". I realize then that you can find anything morally wrong with everything if you go seeking it. At this rate, maybe the Amish were onto something (and even then I'm sure someone will find something morally reprehensible about them).
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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Yes.

You can only respect religious freedom until such time as it interferes with someones personal freedom, or in this case sexual freedom. Just ask any of the Yazidi people in Iraq. I'm sure you will find that the religious freedom ISIS now has, has greatly imp[acted the personal freedom of the Kurds or Yazidi people. Religion is the only difference and committing great crimes, travesties, in the name of religion will ultimately be the downfall of man. Many would argue it already has been.
Put the straw man down and give me evidence that Chick-fil-A is "anti gay."

Opposing the redefinition of marriage is neither anti-gay nor interferes with someones personal freedom.
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