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Old 03-21-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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Sad that the restaurants are closing.... but really just my opinion, being from the east coast. The food in Seattle has always never been great imo... I cook my own at home I have done so for all my years I've lived in Seattle..
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Old 03-22-2015, 12:35 AM
 
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I've also seen customers THROW FITS over not getting a $2 off parking validation...and of course this is after they dropped over $200 on dinner
This is actually a common fallacy of behavioral finance. $2 savings is $2 savings whether it's for parking validation after spending $200 on a meal or whether it's a coupon used to get $2 off a pizza or whether it's buying a bottle of water for $1 instead of $3 at the airport.

The typical illustration used is:

most people when buying an item such as a computer mouse for $10 will refrain from buying it if they find that it's $2 at another location a few miles away (they will drive a few miles to save $8).

otoh, most people when buying an expensive item such as a mobile phone for $200 will still buy it even if they find that it's $192 at another location a few miles away (they will not drive a few miles to save $8).

that $8 saved is $8 in both cases.

anchoring gets us in trouble.
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Old 03-22-2015, 01:56 AM
 
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Wow, there's a lot of posts in this thread!
Anyway, something crossed my mind, looking at some recent posts on Seattle City-Data lately.
Many people feel that 125,000 dollars a year doesn't go all that far in Seattle if you have a house, a car, kids, etc. You're middle class.
But pay somebody fifteen dollars an hour? That's way too much!
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Old 03-22-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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I'm going to have to give you a little nudge on this one. I think you know the answer and aren't admitting it to yourself because it's not what you want to hear.
Actually, I've the one whose been answering the questions. Others think that no one would order a pizza from Shoreline if they live in North Seattle "just to save 20% on the same product" . Yes, restaurants and jobs will remain in Seattle, but it will be a lot harder for smaller businesses and a lot harder for people who aren't top-notch candidates to secure even the lowest skilled jobs. Like I said (but no one is answering) if the value of $15 doesn't change, who in their rights minds will hire a high school drop out at $15/hour? Or someone with a felony conviction? Or a non-English speaking recent immigrant?

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The working class are already leaving the city. They're not who the businesses cater to. They're not the ones buying houses and having babies. They aren't going to drive up to Shoreline or down to Burien to do grocery shopping because they'll shop where they live - which isn't going to be in Seattle.
Okay, and does this make it easier or harder for working people to live in Seattle? The base wage goes up, the price of everything goes up. The only thing someone making around the new minimum wage mark can do is move someplace more affordable.

And I find it comical that in liberal cities the poor are being driven out, but in those "evil Republican strongholds" like Houston, Boise, and Manchester their are still working class people living there. I heard this one conservative guy say something I never considered: he bragged about his home city, Memphis, having a pretty big poverty rate. At first I was shocked but then he said something no one can deny:

The poor in NYC did not stop being poor, they were just priced out. In Memphis the poor are still there because they can still afford to live there, unlike NYC where poor people were all pushed out a long time ago.

This will NOT fix poverty in Seattle. It will just make this city even more expensive to live in. If a minimum wage was an effective anti-poverty tool, then all someplace like Sudan would have to do is enact a $50/hour minimum wage and they would all be rich overnight.
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Old 03-22-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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Wow, there's a lot of posts in this thread!
Anyway, something crossed my mind, looking at some recent posts on Seattle City-Data lately.
Many people feel that 125,000 dollars a year doesn't go all that far in Seattle if you have a house, a car, kids, etc. You're middle class.
But pay somebody fifteen dollars an hour? That's way too much!

If one is expecting to raise a family on minimum wage, one has issues that cannot be fixed by a city ordinance (unless said ordinance provided low-cost mental health)

Of course you can't raise a family working at McDonald's! Those jobs were NEVER meant to raise a family with! Those are part-time gigs for people wanting extra money, jobs for students or for people in between better paying jobs. I tempted when I was between jobs and got $11/hour for two months, and I didn't whine and complain or march like an occutard screaming "no justice, no peace." I toughed it out and got back on my feet...and now, if I lose my job, I probably won't be able to get said temp job because they will be drowned in resumes.

Life is hard. Sometimes you have to live without, and sometimes you have to struggle. That is the very nature of life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-Db4XPA3g


But none of the animals are whining and moaning. They are running and jumping and hiding instead. And unlike the animals, the guy working two minimum wage jobs while studying part time will not die. He may have to work harder, but big deal.

I'm from the ghetto too, and I had to struggle for awhile as well. But I never whined and marched or begged some politician to give me a raise. I went out there and EARNED ONE MYSELF.

All of those people marching for the government to give them a raise are the lowest kind of scum: lazy, free-loading moochers who don't know how good they have it in America. If they tried that anywhere in the South they would be laughed at.
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Old 03-22-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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From historylink.org

" On March 23, 1900, Alice Lord, a 23-year-old waitress, convinced 65 other women to organize the Seattle Waitresses Union, one of the first women's unions to be chartered by the American Federation of Labor. Within a year, membership doubled and their wages tripled."

I wonder if a bunch of restaurants went out of business because of this.
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Old 03-22-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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" On March 23, 1900, Alice Lord, a 23-year-old waitress, convinced 65 other women to organize the Seattle Waitresses Union, one of the first women's unions to be chartered by the American Federation of Labor. Within a year, membership doubled and their wages tripled."

I wonder if a bunch of restaurants went out of business because of this.
There is no problem with the government demanding businesses to increase wages.. Especially , since the wage fairy will magically stick a check underneath the pillows of all the employees. That is assuming they are well behaved!


The Wage Fairy will answer all the woes of business owners and employees! She has a direct line to Kshama Sawant's personal phone for immediate response.
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Old 03-22-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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If they tried that anywhere in the South they would be laughed at.
You've said many times now how eager you are to move to the South. Why wait a year or two? If your company has openings for you in Charlotte, why not move now? Life is too short to be someplace you dislike so much.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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" On March 23, 1900, Alice Lord, a 23-year-old waitress, convinced 65 other women to organize the Seattle Waitresses Union, one of the first women's unions to be chartered by the American Federation of Labor. Within a year, membership doubled and their wages tripled."

I wonder if a bunch of restaurants went out of business because of this.
And that's why to this day we all get our pizza from Pizza Hut in Canada.

The whole thing boils down to businesses adapting. Same story since the beginning of time- some will do so successfully, and some won't. Some will cry about it being unfair and take their ball and go home. Good riddance to the weak. It doesn't matter if it's about new technologies, increased competition, or new regulations- if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. This is America and there's money to be made, and someone will figure out how to make it while the others whine about what they used to be.
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Old 03-22-2015, 11:46 PM
 
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You've said many times now how eager you are to move to the South. Why wait a year or two? If your company has openings for you in Charlotte, why not move now? Life is too short to be someplace you dislike so much.

Unlike the protesters, I don't have rich parents with a trust fund I can use to buy Che Guevara t-shirts and an Iphone 7 with. Hence I have to save my money to move and get a new place, a new car and everything else I'll need in the Shining South.

And I don't hate Seattle as much as I hate the politics. If it had the politics of Bellevue, which is somewhat left-of-center but still reasonable, I would be okay with living here, even with an absence of Dunkin Donuts and restaurants that serve grits. It's the politics that are forcing me out of this place beneath near lonely mountain...

I feel like one of the Dwarfs. Maybe in a decade or two, after this place has turned into Detroit, me and some boys will come back and slay the big red monster in an election (aka, council woman Sawant)

But for now, I'll spend a year working and saving and end up in Charlotte by January, singing about what I lost thanks to the champagne socialists:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyy_FIYE7EE


And no, you can't be a Seattle leftist and like that kind of thing. Tolkien was a hardcore royalists who wasn't keen on unions.
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