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And that's why to this day we all get our pizza from Pizza Hut in Canada.
The whole thing boils down to businesses adapting. Same story since the beginning of time- some will do so successfully, and some won't. Some will cry about it being unfair and take their ball and go home. Good riddance to the weak. It doesn't matter if it's about new technologies, increased competition, or new regulations- if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. This is America and there's money to be made, and someone will figure out how to make it while the others whine about what they used to be.
But you won't say that to the woman with two baby's daddies and three kids before she was 25 who works at McDonald's because she spent more time hip-hop dancing at "da club" then she did studying.
A business owner who had the rules changed on them by the government has every right to be upset...the fast-food worker who can't make ends meet needs to shut up, suck it up, and either earn a raise, a promotion, or get the skills to get a better job.
A better law would be one proving free birth control to the human leeches who insist they deserve $31,000 a year to slap lettuce onto a sandwich. Evolution. If you are so dumb you are stuck making minimum wage past the age of 23 or so, you don't deserve to pass your loser genes onto the next generation.
There is no problem with the government demanding businesses to increase wages.. Especially , since the wage fairy will magically stick a check underneath the pillows of all the employees. That is assuming they are well behaved!
The Wage Fairy will answer all the woes of business owners and employees! She has a direct line to Kshama Sawant's personal phone for immediate response.
LOL! That's awesome!
And a union is not a government, so that is a strawman argument anyway.
And I work in restaurants too, but I am going to school to be a teacher...or at least I was until this passed and I realized I had to move. I also have two short stories published, one of which paid me $200(!) and I may get my novel published, but I'll still have teaching as the day job. And am I whining and asking for handouts or help from the government? NO. I would rather STARVE AND DIE than make it on anything but what I have always relied on: myself and my own ambitions.
Whatever happened to the kid flipping burgers daydreaming not about getting paid more to flip burgers, but about the day when, after years of hard work and determination, she'll own her own damn burger joint?
Human ambition. What the F ^^^ would Sawant and her flying monkeys know about that? This is one of my all time favorite songs, and one that liberals should hate to hear. No mention about joining a "people's movement" or begging for more from the State. Just an anthem of drive, discipline, and ambition. Obama and his followers should hate it:
I would rather die free, working towards self improvement than life a slave to state funded handouts. Better to be a capitalist pig than a socialist sheep. Keep writing, keep studying, keep writing the next cypher. Best believe somebody's paying the pied piper. I will seize what I want in life...or die trying.
i'd LOVE to be president but the military-industrial/spy establishment and banking industries would be reduced in size by 90%, guaranteed. All high schoolers would have to demonstrate knowledge of defensive force laws and skills, or no driver's license, no graduation/diploma. NO more welfare, not for farmers, not for corporations, not for foreigners, no SS, no nuthin, so the gov't and taxes could be reduced by 90%. Prepare for your own retirement. No tax breaks for having kids. In fact, kids would be taxed. That would put a stop to the main cause of misery on this earth. Which is people having kids that they can't afford to raise properly. So they mooch off of others, via taxes, for public schooling, housing, medical care, and then the kids end up being welfare mooches just like their parents (or in prison).
Unlike the protesters, I don't have rich parents with a trust fund I can use to buy Che Guevara t-shirts and an Iphone 7 with. Hence I have to save my money to move and get a new place, a new car and everything else I'll need in the Shining South.
And I don't hate Seattle as much as I hate the politics. If it had the politics of Bellevue, which is somewhat left-of-center but still reasonable, I would be okay with living here, even with an absence of Dunkin Donuts and restaurants that serve grits. It's the politics that are forcing me out of this place beneath near lonely mountain...
I feel like one of the Dwarfs. Maybe in a decade or two, after this place has turned into Detroit, me and some boys will come back and slay the big red monster in an election (aka, council woman Sawant)
But for now, I'll spend a year working and saving and end up in Charlotte by January, singing about what I lost thanks to the champagne socialists:
And no, you can't be a Seattle leftist and like that kind of thing. Tolkien was a hardcore royalists who wasn't keen on unions.
I can remember one of your earlier posts when you would rave on about Seattle being so left. I think you had just moved here at that time. What exactly soured it for you?
And a union is not a government, so that is a strawman argument anyway.
And I work in restaurants too, but I am going to school to be a teacher...or at least I was until this passed and I realized I had to move. I also have two short stories published, one of which paid me $200(!) and I may get my novel published, but I'll still have teaching as the day job. And am I whining and asking for handouts or help from the government? NO. I would rather STARVE AND DIE than make it on anything but what I have always relied on: myself and my own ambitions.
Whatever happened to the kid flipping burgers daydreaming not about getting paid more to flip burgers, but about the day when, after years of hard work and determination, she'll own her own damn burger joint?
Human ambition. What the F ^^^ would Sawant and her flying monkeys know about that? This is one of my all time favorite songs, and one that liberals should hate to hear. No mention about joining a "people's movement" or begging for more from the State. Just an anthem of drive, discipline, and ambition. Obama and his followers should hate it:
I would rather die free, working towards self improvement than life a slave to state funded handouts. Better to be a capitalist pig than a socialist sheep. Keep writing, keep studying, keep writing the next cypher. Best believe somebody's paying the pied piper. I will seize what I want in life...or die trying.
I understand you 100%.. I work for small family software business and can barely survive as we are taxed to death and our expenses allow me to barely survive, especially here in the Puget Sound. Basically, people like me have to pay the welfare checks and social services of many people in the world who think I am too wealthy and greedy, because I actually work for a living. I break my back, working over 12+ hours a day and take a lot of risks to keep our small company alive in a see of corporate sharks. However, our caring and sharing liberal/socialist government thinks that I am too wealthy and I should be helping those in NEED. Despite working long grueling hours of thankless work, nobody has helped me or our company stay above water. We receive no benefits, donations or assistance. Everything I own has to be paid with work I have done. I have to be shrewd, clever and diligent to survive against the overwhelming odds I face, just like most people working or running small businesses.
When you actually are skilled, devoted and have a strong work ethic, you will make a lot of achievements in your life. Sadly, there will be selfish people who elect politicians of their own liking to try to siphon away some of the rewards you made from your efforts. These parasites will use these slickster, big-talking , media hyped politicians to help push their agenda. And these politicians will take advantage of the parasites to help empower themselves. What better way to trick the ignorant masses then talking about giving them all free money and redistributing the wealth from who they call the "Greedy Class", which is in reality the "Working Class". Those who work for a living and bear the responsibility for their actions, rather than those who cannot accept responsibility and want others to support their slothful and irresponsible lifestyles.
In the end, the aftermath will be devastating. My relatives had to flee Soviet Russia, not only because their Jewish religion was outlawed, but because they were living in poverty and had to spend many hours on food lines. My American relatives were living in nice homes and living comfortably, my Russian relatives were living in cockroach infested tenements and were malnourished.
This is the outcome of Socialism and government control of the private working sector. History has shown the fallacy of COmmunist Style government, but most people seem to overlook history and repeat its mistakes. Especially, people who have become accustomed to living too comfortably.
I completely agree with your views, VictorianPunk. I really have a lot of respect for people as yourself. Your strong drive to succeed has allowed you to make many achievements. Of course, now people will want to try to leech off you for those achievements. I , too, would rather DIE then sit on a street corner and beg for food. In Seattle, many of the homeless guys I see are dressed better than myself and many even are decently built. When I was in Africa, I saw children starving in villages. If they didn't work or grow their own food, many would go hungry and some died. There was no aid for them, as the politicians and NGO staff generally would embezzle a good chunk of the aid money that would be sent to them for their own personal use.
The work ethic of people in this day and age is just crap. My grandfather grew up during the Depression in Brooklyn. His mother died in the flu epidemic. He was so poor, he literally ate dirt at times. He started with no money and broke his back working hard as a mechanic. When he died he had over a million dollars to his name. He was very frugal and never asked anybody for help. He never received a penny from the government, except his military wages, being a WWII veteran in the Navy.
i'd LOVE to be president but the military-industrial/spy establishment and banking industries would be reduced in size by 90%, guaranteed. All high schoolers would have to demonstrate knowledge of defensive force laws and skills, or no driver's license, no graduation/diploma. NO more welfare, not for farmers, not for corporations, not for foreigners, no SS, no nuthin, so the gov't and taxes could be reduced by 90%. Prepare for your own retirement. No tax breaks for having kids. In fact, kids would be taxed. That would put a stop to the main cause of misery on this earth. Which is people having kids that they can't afford to raise properly. So they mooch off of others, via taxes, for public schooling, housing, medical care, and then the kids end up being welfare mooches just like their parents (or in prison).
Dread, I'd love to vote for you, as you sound like the kind of guy I want in the Oval Office. However, your whole political push of independent responsibility and lack of free hand-out money will probably make you lose any election. In this day and age, people have many demands and nobody can possibly help themselves with hard work and a strong sense of responsibility.
It's not what you can do for your country it's what can your country's politicians take from those Rich Greedy Bastards and give to you!
Here is interesting example of Wage Reform laws that were implemented in the Soviet Union from 1956-62. The Wage Reform was an utter failure and a prime example what shows what happens when the government dictates wages over companies and then has to try to repair itself when the incentives to be productive in these industries starts to fail. When everyone starts making equal wages, it will be hard to inspire people to be productive in their profession, since Capitalist economics of supply and demand take a backseat as the government imposes a superficial control on labor and the production of the industries as a result.
Out of curiosity, do you see Nixon as a great conservative reformer for legislating the opposite?
I didn't read it that way, although Nixon also eliminated the gold standard, which was probably more innovative (and had a more negative long-term impact) than a few years of price fixing.
I'm also not opposed to the concept of minimum wages at all, or the concept of raising that minimum. I proposed in another part of the thread that they make a less-political pitch.
I'd even be in favor of a $15 minimum wage if they attached it to the factor they claim to be addressing with this legislation. For example, if they want to help people who are the sole or primary breadwinner, apply the full minimum to someone with head-of-household status (easy enough to show on their tax return), or minor children in the household (also something that would show on a tax return). Then, grant exemptions for employers who offer a "trainee" status, or businesses with under 50 employees, or what have you.
See, if we just played politics straight, we'd have more practical solutions. In the simplest example, the universal insurance advocates trotted out all of the dysfunctions in the current insurance system. Instead of the ACA, why not offer an insurance program to people with pre-existing conditions, or to people who had reached a limit to their insurance coverage, or offer aid to people whose health care was creating a financial burden? Was it really necessary to implement the highly disruptive ACA?
Plus, they used the rhetorically false "health care reform" to describe what they were doing, rather than calling it by the more honest "health insurance reform." Although because they didn't offer a national malpractice insurance program along with tort reforms and caps on damages, they can't even claim to have done that.
Nah, it's important to stick with practical talk when discussing political topics. The partisans will come out to advocate one way or the other, but we should at least be willing to keep a sharp eye on reality.
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