Seems to me that Seattle is now the most expensive Major Metro Area that is not in CA or the BosWash corridor... (Bellevue: apartment, to rent)

[beenhereandthere]

Tacoma is the last hope for moderately expensive housing and rents less than one hour from Downtown

[CrazyDonkey]

Both external and internal in-migrations occurring, from out of state, many from areas with higher COL, and from the outer-ring of suburbs to escape what is increasingly becoming a murderous commute.

This is what we get from decades of delay in creating a regional rapid transit system.

[trysometh]

coastal cities...

[eightbitguy]

The point of this thread seems strange. If you take out CA and the entire northeast corridor, of course some random mid-sized city is going to be next in line.

That's like saying Texas has the best beaches* (if you don't count any atlantic or pacific beaches)

Or "Jim is the tallest guy on the basketball team if you don't count all the guys over 6 foot."

What's the point?


*hypothetical, I've never been to a TX beach

[AmFest]

Originally Posted by eightbitguy

The point of this thread seems strange. If you take out CA and the entire northeast corridor, of course some random mid-sized city is going to be next in line.

That's like saying Texas has the best beaches* (if you don't count any atlantic or pacific beaches)

Or "Jim is the tallest guy on the basketball team if you don't count all the guys over 6 foot."

What's the point?


*hypothetical, I've never been to a TX beach

Your analogy is nonsensical and illogical.

The best except A, B, and C, which is what this thread is about, does not mean the same as the best except everything that is better, which is your false analogy.

[skidamarink]

Originally Posted by RotseCherut

Crapitol Hill is a "white trash" extravaganza, what are you talking about?? LOL I hate that term, but if we are going to use it as means to demean lower middle class White Americans, then let's not turn a blind eye to the proliferation of this unsavory element in the inner city as well.

Just because they vote democrat, don't drive pickup trucks and wave around rainbow flags doesn't mean they don't have the same gutter mentality. Personally, I find some of the dive bars in places like Tacoma or Everett more civil than some of the grungy establishments in Crapitol Hill.

Crapitol Hill is just a stage for people who want to play pretend whitetrash. A lot of those people are actually high earning IT employees. And I don't think they are trying to make it genuine. It's kinda like all thr plastic surgery barbies in LA - they know theyre not fooling anyone. But the point is to contribute to the "culture" of the area, even if it means faking it to the point of grotesque exaggeration.

Everett is genuine, full scale whitetrash without even trying. I have been there way too many times to know that. I suggest every newcomer to Seattle visit downtown Everett at least once, to get a well-rounded taste of the Seattle region. You can tell all your friends you've witnessed a zombie apocolypse.

[RotseCherut]

Originally Posted by skidamarink

Crapitol Hill is just a stage for people who want to play pretend whitetrash. A lot of those people are actually high earning IT employees. And I don't think they are trying to make it genuine. It's kinda like all thr plastic surgery barbies in LA - they know theyre not fooling anyone. But the point is to contribute to the "culture" of the area, even if it means faking it to the point of grotesque exaggeration.

Everett is genuine, full scale whitetrash without even trying. I have been there way too many times to know that. I suggest every newcomer to Seattle visit downtown Everett at least once, to get a well-rounded taste of the Seattle region. You can tell all your friends you've witnessed a zombie apocolypse.

Total BS.. Sorrry.. A good majority of the grungy, tatted up and trailer trashy people I meet in Crapitol Hill are not IT workers. There is some major misconception that all the people in Seattle are all over educated IT techies camouflaging themselves among the masses.. Being an IT guy, I can spot another one a mile away, just by his demeanor. The people I have met on the Hill in the bars and around are not the IT workers. As a matter of fact, I feel out of place, being in IT, around a lot of the grungy, trashy and strangely untechnical people on the HIlll. There is a lot of IT people in Seattle ,but even in Seattle, the overall population is as far from techie as anywhere else in the country. As a matter of fact, I find Seattle's population very "techie unfriendly" in places like the Hill, where being a conformed corporate worker is considered heresay among the hip, Bohemian and socialist/anti-corporate populace. There is a considerable culture clash between most of the residents of Crapitol Hill and those residing over in the Westlake and Eastlake corridors who are imported by Amazon and the other tech companies.

Talking about drugs, sex and music is more of the conversation I encounter in Crapitol Hill bars than talking about the latest cloud technology that Amazon is going to be releasing. Every now and again you will meet an IT guy in one of the bars, but it really is the exception.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by RotseCherut

Being an IT guy, I can spot another one a mile away, just by his demeanor.

As someone who has read your posts for a long time, you are not the template for the average IT guy in Seattle. You've mentioned you have your own struggling little company which is probably great.

Originally Posted by RotseCherut
Anyway, I am feeling like knocking a few snobby pricks out when I go to these social mixers. How many arrogant self-righteous , know-it-alls do I have to be around in a single night?


Seattle is way too young, too liberal, too everything for you and you make it clear that you hate it. If you're happy renting on the Eastside, that's great, but it's disturbing how many people may have believed some of the things you've said. No one is making you go to Seattle.

[RotseCherut]

Originally Posted by Seacove

As someone who has read your posts for a long time, you are not the template for the average IT guy in Seattle. You've mentioned you have your own struggling little company which is probably great.

I am going to have to agree with you, although IT people can vary in their personas from big glasses nerd who hides in the basement to the muay thai warrior winning championships at the Silicon Valley Fight clubs. One thing most IT workers have in common is their personalities never make a lot of sense and many will come off quite arrogantly when it comes to discuss technologies issues.

Originally Posted by Seacove

Seattle is way too young, too liberal, too everything for you and you make it clear that you hate it.

Agreed, to a degree.. There are some neighborhoods in Seattle that I like and don't fit all the criteria I am mentioning. I actually don't mind some of the outer Seattle neighborhoods like Greenwood or Ravenna. The U-District is always a good time and like all the hole-in-the-wall eateries and bars, many which are divey and others that are just modest establishments. I enjoy the chutzpah in the neigborhood. Although, with the condos and yuppie migration coming, it probably willl lose all that chutzpah soon.

Originally Posted by Seacove

If you're happy renting on the Eastside, that's great, but it's disturbing how many people may have believed some of the things you've said. No one is making you go to Seattle.

Seattle has much better coffeeshops and coffee than the Eastside.. Therefore, I still have to come into Seattle time to time. What's the difference when I am just sitting around working on a computer all day , anyway?

Some of Seattle's dive bars are actually quite fun and I enjoy playing pool with some of the grungy local Seattlites in neighborhoods like Greenwood or Tangletown rather than the uppity, arrogant transplants who dwell in Crapitol Hill and are too in love with their egos and fascist liberal ideologies.

[Seacove]

Originally Posted by RotseCherut

Seattle has much better coffeeshops and coffee than the Eastside.. Therefore, I still have to come into Seattle time to time. What's the difference when I am just sitting around working on a computer all day , anyway?

It doesn't matter at all. Except you actually post anger to the point of wishful violence against people that didn't seek your company. No one makes you go to those mixers. They are typical, you are not.

It wouldn't matter except when you claim to own the standard by which others in Seattle should be measured. These "trailer trashy" people are able to afford some pricey accommodations.

As for the correlation between demeanor and IT acumen - seriously?

The rest is equally beyond redemption. It can't be the coffee, you make it clear you don't find Seattle to be any better for you technically than any other place in the country and there are plenty of places in Western Washington and Western Oregon that are scenic. You must be positively masochistic to continue here because Seattle isn't going to change because you don't like it.

Originally Posted by RotseCherut

Total BS.. Sorrry.. A good majority of the grungy, tatted up and trailer trashy people I meet in Crapitol Hill are not IT workers. There is some major misconception that all the people in Seattle are all over educated IT techies camouflaging themselves among the masses.. Being an IT guy, I can spot another one a mile away, just by his demeanor. The people I have met on the Hill in the bars and around are not the IT workers. As a matter of fact, I feel out of place, being in IT, around a lot of the grungy, trashy and strangely untechnical people on the HIlll. There is a lot of IT people in Seattle ,but even in Seattle, the overall population is as far from techie as anywhere else in the country. As a matter of fact, I find Seattle's population very "techie unfriendly" in places like the Hill, where being a conformed corporate worker is considered heresay among the hip, Bohemian and socialist/anti-corporate populace. There is a considerable culture clash between most of the residents of Crapitol Hill and those residing over in the Westlake and Eastlake corridors who are imported by Amazon and the other tech companies.