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Old 09-20-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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Make sure the RV doesn't have any leaks, we're about to start our rainy season and the last thing that a person with breathing issues need is a leaky, moldy living environment.

OP, I didn't see any disability hate, I agree with other posters, people are worried for you.
It's frustrating and angering trying to communicate and not being understood.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Port Angeles is way out from Seattle and will cost you $$ for the ferry every time if you want anything remotely close to a reasonable (under 3 hours each way) transit time to downtown Seattle, there are no public transportation from there to Seattle. I'm sure there are hospitals in that area but I have never been so I'm clueless where they are or how big they are. I'm told it is beautiful out there on the peninsula though. Silver Lake near Everett here is also nice and not too far from hospitals and has public transportation to Seattle, if living in a RV long term is your goal, that might work, assuming you can find a place that is for semi-permanent RV living (I've never looked for that so I have no idea). Unless you mean Silver Lake near Mt. St. Helen, that is a whole lot more rural and no public transportation to Seattle.


Good luck to you, you're going to need a LOT of it.
I'm not so sure that area is affordable either. Maybe some parts of it, but I know some areas of Sequim and Port Hadlock are where the upper crust lives so it can be a bit pricy there, too. Plus, isn't there a paper mill somewhere up there that smells awful? I can't think that would be good for the OP.

OP, what people have said about the hospitals are correct. We have two good hospitals here in Bremerton and Silverdale but when I had my aneurysm, they ambulanced me over to Harborview in Seattle. I had to go back over there every 6 months for the first two years and once a year for the two years after that. I would drive around and that's about a 130 mile round trip drive, plus bridge toll, plus parking every time I went over.

The ferries here originally charged $3.80 for a walk on fare in 2001, now it's $8.50, give or take. To get to Seattle from Port Angeles or Sequim, you could drive to Port Townsend or Kingston and take one of those ferries over, then drive the rest of the way south to Seattle. That can be a crapshoot sometimes, because some of those ferries don't run when the weather is bad and sometimes the boats fill up fast and you have to wait an hour or more before you can get on a ferry.

You could also drive to Bainbridge Island (I'd say that might be an hour+ drive, longer during commute times), then a half hour on the ferry, then downtown Seattle.

I don't know how much the Kingston and Port Townsend ferries charge, but if you leave Bremerton or Bainbridge Island on the ferry for Seattle to go to a hospital there, you're talking almost a $40 round trip fare with your car. And those rates go up every single year. It's why I drive around. I figured gas would have to be over $5/gallon before it would cost more to drive, even with the bridge toll now.

You talked about Brinnon. Brinnon is one of those places that is halfway down the other side of the Hood Canal. Your only ways out are to drive south through Hoodsport and around the end of the Canal and then up the side of the other canal into Belfair, and then drive from there into Bremerton to catch a ferry.

Or you could drive north and cross the bridge over the canal and then drive down from there through Poulsbo and to Bainbridge Island to catch that ferry.

Either way, the north or south way out of Brinnon is going to involve some very curvy roads and a LONG drive time. I did a road trip from Bremerton up one side and down the other once, going across the bridge, through Brinnon and Hoodsport and back home again via Belfair, and it took me a couple of hours.

You also need to know that when winds are sustained at 40mph for 15 minutes or longer on the Hood Canal, they close the bridge. I worked with someone from Port Hadlock and she got to where she would bring her camper with her, because she wouldn't know when she could get home for the night. If we get high winds in a storm, that bridge will be closed for as long as the storm lasts.


Brinnon and Hoodsport are also areas that usually receives snow when the rest of us are longing for it. But if you had an emergency, that would make it twice as difficult for you to get to a hospital. And speaking of snow, there are a lot of hills here on the Kitsap peninsula. Anytime there is snow forecast and it's forecast for 500 ft and over, if you live on a hill, you'll get snow. When I had my house down by Tahuya, we had two snowstorms that dumped a total of 15" of snow on us in the hills. After the first snowstorm, I was able to get to the main roads by following in the tracks of a 4WD. After the second snowstorm, everyone was stuck for a couple days. And I had to take pictures of all that snow because Seattle didn't get any and my boss there didn't believe me when I said I wasn't able to get in because of snow! And for everyone here, when I drop my ruler in snow to measure the depth and then have to dig down a couple inches to retrieve it, to me, that's about 15" of snow. LOL

I'm not trying to discourage you, but those things happen pretty much every winter (well, maybe not that much snow every winter) and you have to know about them.

And one more thing: there are a lot of "camping places" you can buy where you can park a trailer all around this area, but Washington state has this incredibly dumb rule that says you can't live in a trailer in these places for more than 6 months. Some of them are very reasonable to buy and have all the amenities, but you better find somewhere else to live for the other 6 months. And just because you read on a realtor's listing that the land is good to camp on, doesn't mean you can. I've seen that on ads for land in Bremerton, and Bremerton hasn't allowed camping or trailers on the land for years and years.


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Rodentraiser, make sure you are allowed to car camp on any property before you buy, a lot counties and cities will not allow this. Also, check with neighbors how they feel about it, I could imagine not a lot of people would appreciate it and they could become a very expensive nuisance.
Yeah, I know. I've been all over those hills on just road trips and exploring and when I was looking for a place to buy back in 2003. There are a lot of places with CCRs and other places where the only way into the property is a dirt road that you can't see more than 3 ft of. I could probably find a place like that and put a chain across the road and in some of the places I'm thinking of, no one would even see me coming or going.

But more likely is I'll apply for a permit to put a cheap trailer on the lot and then have a largeish shed built to store my stuff. When I can afford it, I'll have the shed converted over to living and get a permit for that and eventually have the trailer taken out. I know what it's like living in trailers and I don't expect to have one (for the price I'll be paying for it) last longer than a couple years or so.

In a worst case scenario, I'll live out of my car for a while around Bremerton and Poulsbo. I don't know if they still have it, but the Gateway Fellowship Church used to donate 4 spaces to people living in their cars and there is or was a portapotty there. I've done it before. I can make my car very comfortable and while it's not the best solution in the world, for a chance to save maybe $1000/month, I'll do it for as long as I can. You have to understand, I've been paying half or more of my take home salary in rent most of my working life and haven't been able to save hardly any of it and every time I did, I had an emergency that ate all my savings up again. So now that I'm no longer working, I'll do whatever I have to save money. Thank you for your concern.

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Old 09-20-2017, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Seattle Eastside
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Thank you for your thoughtful and kind reply.maybe I posted in the wrong area not understanding your geography,out here Cleveland means darn near all of northeast Ohio.yes I do live and grew up in northeast Ohio but have lived in almost every other state due to my previous profession, now to call what I've been through where we've lived as bs, that's rude and wrong ,you've never walked smile in my shoes or my wife's or my kids who are grown and gone and living I rural parts of different states non of which is near Ohio.
Why do you think I am referring to you when I talk about meth and bs in a poor base town? Surely you know as well as anybody that there is drama and violence when you get a lot of young single and displaced people with money to spend all in one place. You are taking all this so personally. Consider that many of us too have had to leave Seattle because our own jobs as teachers, nurses, administrators didn't pay the rent. The issues we are talking about are on the front page of our newspaper every week, and on the front pages of our socialist rags as well. When you come you will see that what we are telling you is not us being too good for you. It is us looking out for you.


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can't remember some of the other points I wanted to address but this is a fact I live in southwest Ashtabula county Ohio in the country town of Rome, no groceries no nothing but a BP gas station.ive had my house for sale for 9 months I've dropped the price from 60k to 30k it's a 4 bedroom 1 bath 2 story with a 1.5 car garage/ shop and a barn /garage big enough to park a 2 ton dump truck. It's an acre of land with areas for chickens, ducks and rabbits, we back against a 360 acre cornfield.my next door neighbor is going through the same thing we are he's had his house up for sale for 3 years started at 150kand is now down to 60k.amish are about 30 percent of our neighbors.my wife read what a lot you said and called "Richey rich bs" on your posts .
Don't I wish this were rich BS. When I was a kid in the Pacific Northwest we all wore galoshes to school and we all had jeans from the Goodwill. We were in it together. My family has lived in friends' basements and I put myself through school. The working class and the "up and coming" middle class are struggling to understand what is happening with our culture, but when you talk about King County--there might be richly rich BS going on here but people posting are not causing it. They are giving you fair warning.

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I more than likely posted in the wrong area and I apologize for getting all the hate the disabled talk going.But we are coming out in an rv by the seat of our pants and that's now my wife's agenda after reading these posts she found a couple nice affordable rv parks in the area of port angeles and I think silver lake. But what you don't know is my wife helps me post food reviews on YouTube and through that is how we got the idea for the Seattle end of the state was from dozens of youtubers that live north of Tacoma
Well that is not Seattle. I think that you are right that there is a misunderstanding. Please know that families who have lived in Seattle for generations are leaving. Not the rich ones of course, but the teachers, the social workers, the artists. The shock you are hearing is people who know how hard it is and don't want you to face that. Tacoma is far cheaper.

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, I was originally thinking Montana but they said come to Washington the place is beautiful and the people are great and the good scene and music scene rocks you'll love it.If it turns bad my wife says we will head to eureka ,ca we've been there and if need be there's an rv park there that a semi retired friend of mine lives in that's affordable we will not let Ohio and hate speech take us down.Those of you that helped thank you from the bottom of my heart, those of you who ran your keyboards like mean kid you just graduated to mean adult.
The abrupt and clear message I heard was one of compassion. You don't see like we do how many people really do end up on the streets. You can't imagine. These are not stupid or lazy people. Many of them have never gone a day in their life without working. It is a hard town right now, never was an easy one. We invented skid row (yay, us). You have a house and a life and everyone here does want that for you.

I hope you can look into some of the areas I suggested. I have family there. I would not suggest any place I would not live. Right now my family is working our butts off to stay in good schools. We are fortunate. But we have also had less and lived in cheaper areas at times and I am not ashamed of that.

Again, goood luck.
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Old 09-21-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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Firstly I wish folks would stop saying Tacoma is cheaper - it's not . It was but not now - I am seeing cheaper WAYYY closer to town and it's tempting - still not on the OP's cash radar tho.
Anyway I like the Eureka idea best and you are familiar with it . Not sure how you got the RV but with that in mind I would definitely do Eureka so you hopefully aren't so broke - Hey, I would do Eureka if I could save enough up today to leave and didn't have a HS junior daughter trying to get into a tough school . The sheer amount of people here would trip you out . It does many of us .
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle Eastside
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Firstly I wish folks would stop saying Tacoma is cheaper - it's not . It was but not now - I am seeing cheaper WAYYY closer to town and it's tempting - still not on the OP's cash radar tho.
Anyway I like the Eureka idea best and you are familiar with it . Not sure how you got the RV but with that in mind I would definitely do Eureka so you hopefully aren't so broke - Hey, I would do Eureka if I could save enough up today to leave and didn't have a HS junior daughter trying to get into a tough school . The sheer amount of people here would trip you out . It does many of us .
I understand that Tacoma is not cheap, but... it is cheaper than Seattle.

Median home prices:

Tacoma: $257,900
Seattle: $690,200
Bellevue: $842,900
Everett: $337,700

Tacoma is less than HALF the price of the median Seattle home. It's not cheap and it's not poor but it doesn't face the ridiculous market pressure Seattle does.

Average rental for a 1 bedroom apartment (some are 2016 prices):

Tacoma: $1,004
Seattle: $1,755
Bellevue: $1,830
Everett: $1,126

Of course this is because variation in rental apartments, and variation among people renting 1 br apartments, is smaller between these cities than the home-buying / property-investing population is. So you see less of a difference renting in Bellevue vs. Tacoma than you do buying in Bellevue vs. Tacoma (still... holy crap).

Again, please do not take this as a personal insult. A great deal of people living in Everett are simply making their commute work, or able to negotiate a better deal with an employer regarding telecommuting, than people in Bellevue. The higher expense doesn't mean better people.

It's still less expensive the further you get from the big high salary players like Amazon, Microsoft, T-Mobile, etc.
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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We had a HUGE rental increase this year and alot of the town is gentrifying like mad . The 1's where I live are at 13-1400. The housing prices to purchase are crazy all over the area .
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Seattle Eastside
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I think that for the purposes of this thread, your point stands. It's a high cost of living area in the same class as Seattle insofar as affordability goes.

For the purposes of looking to the outskirts of Tacoma (Lakewood, my suggestion for OP) I think the idea that "Tacoma is cheaper" is still relevant, though. Prices are going up everywhere but you can more easily find a good deal in Lakewood or Spanaway than in Renton nowadays.
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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2017 Rates

$185/week + tax

$450/month (2 people, first 300 kwh included)
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:44 PM
 
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I told you guys what my health issues are .i used to live in North Dakota on the Minnesota border and Minnesota is a giant meth lab , the twin cities I.e Minneapolis/saint Paul is worse than south side Chicago, we used to get the evening news from Minnesota since we were on the border and the twin cities are a shooting gallery gang shootings everywhere it's horrible but the state hides it to keep buissnesses and misinformed relocaters coming in , everyone moving into North Dakota was running from gang violence in Minnesota,crips and bloods relocate to Minnesota to start new clicks . We sold our home in North Dakota that we bought to be closer to my daughter going to college there bc the healthcare system there nearly killed me with surgerical procedures that weren't needed and misdiagnosing a life threatening lung issue ,that's why I only have one operating lung and am on oxygen and yes my doctor spoke to doctors in Washington and due to in adequate care in Ohio the doctors in Washington have seen my history and can provide the proper care to extend my life and give me a quality of life . What ever negative thoughts you have of me are wrong , every social worker and doctor says get out here so we can help you, I can't say and you guys don't know the absolute misery the state of Ohio and it's doctors have inflicted on me since we moved back for my four way bypass which wouldn't have been needed if certain things would have even been spotted by the north Dakota doctors. All some of you do is fixate on rents in Seattle no says anything when I mentioned brinnon or any of the other outlying areas or rv campgrounds I've spoken to , yes it will be a hardship bc I can only stand assisted for 10 seconds and take 2-3 steps before I fall . I don't mind living where the guy who works at Burger King lives or the woman who stocks the produce at the Korean market. I'm not going to ruin "your" Seattle area I want tiny piece of Washington state that I can proudly call home , as long as it's an hour or two from the doctors I need to see.i think I'm willing to live where most of you wouldn't , like around the corner or down the street from the bar with all the Harley's out front or next door to Hells angels or bandidos or seattles only all African American 1% motorcycle club, maybe that's what you call ghetto or seedy , if I have to rent an rv in silver lake or up by port angeles so be it ,500 a month with all utilities included doesn't sound bad compared to what a lot of you are saying. I not your enemy or a heroin addict or the guy digging through your trash but that's how a lot of you treated me with your " I don't know how you expect Seattle to solve your problems" I'm sorry ohio and it's leadership are going down the toilet , all I know is I'm not going to let them take me with them .
As a Minnesota native this just isn't true, I'm sorry you thought this was all of Minnesota. If anything disabled folks move to MN because of the numerous benefits disabled individuals receive. My mother worked for the state and would tell me of the many people who would move to the state for that reason. So I was going to suggest Minnesota as you could find something further out for $1100 and get disability benefits too I'm sure but it sounds like you've made up your mind. I'd just hate to see you and your wife in a worse position. Also I'm terribly sorry for your situation and I truly hope and pray the best for you and your wife.
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Old 09-23-2017, 12:22 AM
 
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2017 Rates

$185/week + tax

$450/month (2 people, first 300 kwh included)
Holy crap, that's in Rochester? With tax, its minimum of $200/wk. Yikes. Things have really gone up... or maybe they're taking advantage of the location which looks to be really close to the Great Wolf Lodge. I'll have to ask my DH for the Arlington area RV park I was referring to earlier in the thread to see if their rates gone up. I'm sure the name has Smokey in it.
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