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Old 11-10-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Except "socialist" countries have almost no crime and homeless.
Only if you cherry pick northern European socialist countries. It's not because they're socialist, because they have totally different demographics, are culturally/racially homogeneous, don't border third world countries...

How's socialism working out for Venezuela?
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Old 11-10-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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Rots, pretty clear Jenny Durkan had to speak some populist language to make it through, that's just insightful politics. The "establishment" business community seems rather pleased she got elected, meaning she is no socialist. I think she may prove over time to be a breath of fresh air. And YES, as Crazy notes below, free "heroines", (a woman admired or idealized for her courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities). I suspect though, a woman of this quality couldn't be free. It warms my heart to know this is what you are seeking, you are a good man .
As I said HomesInSeattle, it could have been worse.. I hope she is a pseudo-socialist as you say.. Indeed, I agree with you that there is no way you will be elected into a Seattle political office without preaching some socialistic ideals. Hopefully, Ms. Durkan will understand where the money is being generated to pay her salary and for all those free things so many Seattlites are wanting.


P.S.
Pardon my mispelling of "Heroin" .. Been along day.. DUHHHH

Hopefully our heroine can help stem the heroin epidemic in Seattle. But not likely.. Democrats are all about free needles, free shootup sites and free food and money to help pay for these addictions.
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Old 11-10-2017, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Especially if they are really free...



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Old 11-10-2017, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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Only if you cherry pick northern European socialist countries. It's not because they're socialist, because they have totally different demographics, are culturally/racially homogeneous, don't border third world countries...

How's socialism working out for Venezuela?
Venezuela is not a rich country is full of corruption. It's a really bad example. Most of South America has the same problem. A rich country like the US should be like Norway or Switzerland, not like Mexico.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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Venezuela is not a rich country is full of corruption. It's a really bad example. Most of South America has the same problem. A rich country like the US should be like Norway or Switzerland, not like Mexico.
Switzerland is a socialist country?? Try Again.. It is among the most capitalist in Europe.. The land of bankers and finance. Also, Switzerland has a considerable more autonomy than the rest of the EU countries.

Norway is only a good example, because Norway is an oil rich country that is able to subsidize its social services with its abundant and rich natural resources. However, because of the open immigration policy in Norway and Sweden, their socialist system is actually being strained beyond belief. Many of the immigrants are having huge families and not wanting to work full-time jobs and are pretty much leeching off the system. Not to mention Sweden is now the new "Rape Capital" of Europe. This is a nation which 30-40 years ago had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Also, comparing the economy of a country the size of the Seattle metro area (Norway pop. 5.2 million) to a massive nation (almost like a continent in, itself) like the United States (US Pop. 323 million) is pretty futile and short-sighted.


Also, if you take into account state and federal taxes, the USA actually has a higher tax rate and is more socialist than many European countries, which have lower corporate tax rates and all types of means to write-off and avoid paying taxes. The USA, for example, is the only country in the world that has a global tax. Whereas a European can off-shore part of his income, an American is responsible for paying taxes wherever he lives and the IRS has made its presence around the world harassing countries for impeding American citizens from paying their global tax. If you live in California, Oregon or New York, for example, you are actually paying more taxes than if you lived in England or Italy.
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Switzerland is a socialist country?? Try Again.. It is among the most capitalist in Europe.. The land of bankers and finance. Also, Switzerland has a considerable more autonomy than the rest of the EU countries.
When was capitalism and socialism incompatible?

Switzerland actually has a national health care system similar to the ACA:

* Everyone is required to buy health insurance (an individual mandate).

* Subsidies pay for premiums in excess of 8% of income.

* Annual deductible runs from ~$184 to ~$1,500.

* Co-insurance is 10% of the cost, up to a stop-loss of ~$450.

Note: We too could easily have such a system, if it wasn't for all the "free-market" idiots in this country. It would be socialistic, in that it is significantly subsidized, but it would hardly threaten capitalism as we know it.
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Exactly Crazy. The "free market" people who have been brainwashed to protect the wild profiteering that exists in the insurance-pharmeceutical-medical cartel in the US. We deserve better, won't happen though.

Just a "public option" would have created a whole different dynamic with ACA. Powerful forces didn't let that happen though.
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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When was capitalism and socialism incompatible?

Switzerland actually has a national health care system similar to the ACA:

* Everyone is required to buy health insurance (an individual mandate).

* Subsidies pay for premiums in excess of 8% of income.

* Annual deductible runs from ~$184 to ~$1,500.

* Co-insurance is 10% of the cost, up to a stop-loss of ~$450.

Note: We too could easily have such a system, if it wasn't for all the "free-market" idiots in this country. It would be socialistic, in that it is significantly subsidized, but it would hardly threaten capitalism as we know it.
People pay ridiculous amounts of money in the US for health insurance, and they still have huge deductibles, medicine is barely covered and they would be better off financially without health insurance. It is sad. Insurance companies = mafia and corruption.
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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The Democrats, RINOs (e.g. Bushes and other fake Republicans) want big government and help fund and support the FDA and the BIg Pharma drug cartel that owns most of our politicians and oversees the regulatory board on the FDA. Then, the Democrats want more accountability and protection of consumers from evil businesses, which would include hospitals, doctors and a majority of other health providers in our capitalistic system. This has resulted in a numerous amount of frivolous malpractice lawsuits that have bloated the cost of our health services and insurance. Of course, we could adopt the European model and have our physicians become government employees and be employed by the massive government bureaucracy. Yeah, I just love when these supporters of socialized medicine compare a country with 300 million + 50 million illegal immigrants to a tiny little country of 5 million people. Oh, it would be just so easy to do what Switzerland or Norway does, etc, etc. Yeah right! But, not a lot of people, including Democrats and Canadians, want to wait in the type of socialized government health clinics. Average wait times in clinics in Vancouver, BC are in the hours. There is a reason why Bellingham, WA has so many Canadians pouring into their clinics and why Canada, itself, opened up private health clinics, which could possibly lead to the demise of its socialized public health care system.

I am not happy with the situation of our health care industry, but putting your trust in the mighty bureaucracy to train health providers, employ them, manage and run all our hospitals, pay for our surgeries, medications, etc is really a big fantasy. The best we can do is reduce the regulations in our health care industry and dismantle the FDA and BIg Pharma cartel which have bloated the price of our medications many times what they should be. Seriously, look up malpractice lawsuits and see how many people have sued in the $100,000s and even more for the most ludicrous reasons. If a doctor looks at you funny in this day and age you can sue for malpractice. Is this not fascism, when the very people who make your pharmaceuticals are also the ones who sit on the boards to approve and regulate their safety? No wonder the Big Pharma companies have killed more Americans than in almost all our wars.

Add 50 million illegals to Switzerland and see how Switzerland's subsidies work. The metro area of Los Angeles has twice as many people as Switzerland. Seriously, apples and oranges, comparing Switzerland to USA. Now, let us compare China, Russia, India, Brazil, Indonesia to the USA and we would have somewhat more of a fair comparison.

Oh ,, by the way, Switzerland has banned all immigration into its country and only will allow immigrants on special circumstances now. But, if we did that In America everyone would scream racism and cruelty. Yet, somehow people here praise Switzerland and condemn Trump for supporting some of the same measures they are taking.
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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People pay ridiculous amounts of money in the US for health insurance, and they still have huge deductibles, medicine is barely covered and they would be better off financially without health insurance. It is sad. Insurance companies = mafia and corruption.
That's because we allow mega-corporate health-care profiteers to buy our politicians, so that the foxes will be left to "manage" the hens.
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