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Old 10-15-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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I moved from Southern Oregon (Ashland) in February, 2018, and have been traveling all over the world and the US, using my daughters apartment in the Queen Anne area as a base.

I've lived in Portland, San Fransisco, San Diego and Sacramento. As much as I love this area, I have never seen a city as nice as this with so much crime, the homelessness, the drugs, etc. etc. My daughter has a $2,900 a month apartment, and my car is parked on the street. I have found needles, used condoms, pipes, etc. I know all the neighborhoods that you speak of, and they are all nice, but I'm sure they experience some of the same things I've noted above. This population can get out and about. And I too, don't want to come off as insensitive, since I am a psychotherapist that worked for the government for many years helping people. Seattle has a budget currently of $90 million dollars for the homeless.

You can thank extreme left politics and outright Communists like Sawant for this sad state of affairs. And this is with a growing economy, if we actually go into a real recession I can't imagine the carnage.

A moderate third party can't come soon enough for the entire West Coast.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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People do "go west" in search of jobs, but can become marooned when their funds run out. Most had a domicile here before becoming homeless, but the stats don't show for how long. This is not unique to Seattle, but is just as bad in L.A. and San Francisco. Seattle does have a more compact urban core (where most of the services are) so the problem might appear more concentrated, but per capita, I suspect, it isn't much different. The mild weather might draw in marginally more people than the rain (and dark winters) drives out.

This has much more to do with economic trends (rapidly rising COL combined with stagnant wages), the Opioid Crisis perpetrated by Big Pharma, and the slashing of HUD dollars for subsidized housing under Carson and Trump, than with liberal/left-wing west coast city governments coddling the unfortunate (a right-wing fantasy).
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Alamogordo, NM
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Whatever's behind it does not explain the winking by Seattle Police Officers at the crimes these people commit. Sure, they will probably commit the same crimes again, but there's got ta be a better way of dealing with repeat offenders. If business people have to close up shop because of these repeat offenders on a constant basis, something more effective and permanent needs to be done.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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People do "go west" in search of jobs, but can become marooned when their funds run out. Most had a domicile here before becoming homeless, but the stats don't show for how long. This is not unique to Seattle, but is just as bad in L.A. and San Francisco. Seattle does have a more compact urban core (where most of the services are) so the problem might appear more concentrated, but per capita, I suspect, it isn't much different. The mild weather might draw in marginally more people than the rain (and dark winters) drives out.

This has much more to do with economic trends (rapidly rising COL combined with stagnant wages), the Opioid Crisis perpetrated by Big Pharma, and the slashing of HUD dollars for subsidized housing under Carson and Trump, than with liberal/left-wing west coast city governments coddling the unfortunate (a right-wing fantasy).
We still had this problem before Trump and Carson. The problem is that the level of tolerated street disorder has increased exponentially since the SCC decided that policing street problems is racist and uncaring. They claim homeless is an "emergency" but tried to pass one tax and it failed, and they gave up. I don't think the SCC is serious about tackling this problem. But they had time to ban straws and showing TV without closed captioning.

As far as the domicile - coming here and getting a PO box after the homeless agency caseworker told you too or living at a shelter is not the same as being a resident who then became homeless. They like to blur this distinction, but sorry I've lived here a long time and I don't believe that 80% (or whatever they are saying) of the homeless are local. Other places don't have the many, many agencies that Seattle does to help the homeless so they ship them here. Want to know how many agencies there are? Check this out:

http://main.realchangenews.org/EmeraldCityResourceGuide

If you were a hobo and heard that in Seattle you can camp on the street, deal and use drugs and shoplift without penalty, why wouldn't you move here. You'd be dumb not to.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ases-for-less/

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...stice-failure/

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Old 10-15-2019, 03:15 PM
 
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This has much more to do with economic trends (rapidly rising COL combined with stagnant wages), the Opioid Crisis perpetrated by Big Pharma, and the slashing of HUD dollars for subsidized housing under Carson and Trump, than with liberal/left-wing west coast city governments coddling the unfortunate (a right-wing fantasy).
Oh great. Blame everybody else except the guy injecting IV heroin into his veins.

The homeless and heroin problem existed long before Trump and Carson came to power in 2017. And the COL in Seattle was just as high in January 2017 as it is today. No one is forcing many of these homeless non-Seattle residents to live in one of the world's most expensive cities. As the above poster said, PO Box is not domicile. America is a big and largely empty country. Move somewhere else more affordable. There's no natural right to an ultra-expensive urban domicile. And the heroin problem exists because it's $5 to $10 to buy a bag of Mexican black tar heroin. It's super cheap and super available.

But Big Pharma! Right-wing Fantasy! HUD cuts! Amazon! Anything but the person committing property crimes and leaving needles in children's parks. We need regional parties. I'm tired of my centrist views being lumped with white supremacists in Alabama as "right-wing" or Republican. We then end up with socialists like Sawant.

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Old 10-15-2019, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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I don't believe the issue can be reduced down to simplistic either/or "solutions", whether on the right or the left. As I've stated many times here, I am in favor of LEAD for petty drug offenders, but believe that those who refuse treatment/services, but continue to commit crimes, should be arrested and jailed or committed. Those crying, "lock 'em up!," however, all too often want payment for expanding the required police, court, and incarceration resources to be done on someone else's dime.

I don't believe that people should be able to camp on sidewalks or in parks, but am in favor of authorized camps, in the county, not just the city, with sanitation, showers, laundry, garbage collection, power, cooking facilities, storage, and other services. According to a federal court decision (relative to Boise, not Seattle), you can't clear unauthorized camps or forbid sleeping in public, unless they have somewhere to go, or are a demonstrable health/safety hazard.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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I appreciate the answers to this thread but it's getting a bit off topic, thanks for contributions. Take care~
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Old 10-22-2019, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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CirculateRX, your question is a very complicated question and us natives and longtime residents are very passionate about the state of affairs in our community... Since this is our life.

I truly wish you well in whatever you choose to do!!

Also, thank you for your input Jakebarnes and Guineas. I only hope that the Seattle City CLOWNcil finds balance sometime very soon, but I'm not holding my breath on this one.
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