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Old 10-30-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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The same people complaining about the cost of housing will vote to defund King county transportation. Then they will wonder why houses closer in are even more expensive while their commutes grow to two hours each way. Short-sighted but unsurprising. We should make mass transportation funding and increased lanes a priority. Instead they will try to save money on tabs but end up spending far more in other ways.
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Old 10-30-2019, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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The same people complaining about the cost of housing will vote to defund King county transportation. Then they will wonder why houses closer in are even more expensive while their commutes grow to two hours each way. Short-sighted but unsurprising. We should make mass transportation funding and increased lanes a priority. Instead they will try to save money on tabs but end up spending far more in other ways.
Same old story. Throw pennies at the middle class, but dollars to the rich, while promising to force the poor to pay for it (through slashing services). The rich move close to "town", while middle class and poor families are ejected to Federal Way and Casino Road (and two-hour commutes).
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Old 10-30-2019, 02:16 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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It was your link. It's irrelevant to your argument. You've failed to provide a more current source. Do you even care? As far as I know, you could be a Russian bot...
Yeah sure, I'm a Russian bot. You can see it by my posting history. That's a great, highly persuasive argument.

I did in fact provide a more current link but it appears you missed it.

You're going to defend the exorbitant cost per passenger mile of ST, just as another poster in another thread defended the exorbitant cost of 'safe lot' facilities for the homeless in Seattle.
Seattle city-run 'safe lots' for homeless costs 30 times similar program run by Methodist church.

The cost to maintain a single outdoor parking spot was about the same as the cost of a (highly overpriced) studio apartment.
Seattle city-run 'safe lots' for homeless costs 30 times similar program run by Methodist church.

Yet you guys defend it. Nothing new.
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Old 10-30-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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I did in fact provide a more current link but it appears you missed it.
I checked. You did not provide a more current link. Your source is irrelevant; therefore your argument is irrelevant.
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Old 10-30-2019, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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That's a strange claim. What is your proof?

Private vehicles are already cheaper than public transport, and Uber pool is clearly at least potentially cheaper than private vehicles. I don't have cost per passenger mile data on Uber pool. But common sense says that it will tend to be cheaper than a private owner-occupied vehicle.

www.city-data.com/forum/33124140-post87.html
Here you quote:

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According to AAA the cost per vehicle mile in 2010 for a medium sedan driving 15,000 miles was 56.2. The average car has 1.5 people in it, so that translates to 37 cents per passenger mile. So:

vanpool: 20 cents per passenger mile
car: 37 cents per passenger mile
bus $1.70 ppm
train $5.39 ppm
But the source you link to is another City-Data post (from 2010) that links to a source that no longer exists (results in a "Page Not Found"). So, where do these numbers come from????

That is two "sources" that you've claimed that are 1) irrelevant due to being hopelessly out-of-date and 2) non-existent.

The other source you cite refers to Sounder, a commuter rail service, which has nothing to do with Link Light Rail, although it does help illuminate what "train" refers to in the above quote (not light rail) Commuter (heavy) rail and light rail are apples and oranges.
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Sounder cost 6 times what similar bus service would have cost. Did they then make plans to drop Sounder and switch to bus service? No.
According to Sound Transit's Trip Planner:

Tacoma to Everett via bus: 190 minutes (over three hours).

Tacoma to Everett via Sounder: 144 minutes (2.25 hours).

No one would choose to switch to the bus in this case, even if Sounder didn't exist.

Sounder had 2.3 million boardings for the first two quarters of 2019. Link had 12.3 million boardings in that same period.

https://www.soundtransit.org/sites/d...-q2-201908.pdf

Conservatively, we can guestimate that eliminating Sounder and Link would equate to, let us say, putting 8 million additional car trips, or 16 million over the year, back on I-5, which would require building another north-south freeway between Tacoma and Everett.
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Old 10-31-2019, 01:54 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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It was your link. It's irrelevant to your argument. You've failed to provide a more current source. Do you even care? As far as I know, you could be a Russian bot...
Just wish to update you that Vlad had emailed me and asked me to post about the disappearance of pigeons in downtown Bellevue. Vlad loves pigeons and this is a major issue for him.
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Old 11-06-2019, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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What are you talking about? I-976 would largely defund ST. Apart from some federal grants, only tax-payers within the ST District (encompassing parts of King, Snohomish, and Pierce Counties) are paying for ST.

Voting Yes is a classic "cutting off your nose to spite your face" vote.

Regardless, this is just another Eyman unconstitutional for-profit "mess" of an initiative that will be overturned as soon as a challenge hits the courts.
Wishful thinking since several holes were already punched into ST3 in the courts... Prior to this vote. Also, if by chance it does make it to court, I hope that Sound Transit will have to open ALL of their books and show the public, on record, how the extra funds from this unjust tax has been spent to date. Seriously, I’d like to know how much money was spent on buying political/union favors, on other non-related light-rail side projects, on mismanagement/fraud and waste.

If Sound Transit wasn’t so greedy and settled on say 40% to 45% of what people are currently paying, many more people in Snohomish, Pierce and King County... Areas outside of Seattle city limits, would have been OK with this added tax.

Also, if people truly wanted to be fair about funding of the ST3 program, than people who depend of public transportation should also be required to pay an added surcharge (Tax) on bus, van, Uber/taxi or train services coming into and leaving the metro Seattle area to help fund this great project that everybody wants... Right?? Since we are all in it together and fair is fair!!

I’ve always been OK with paying my taxes, as long as they were fair and not one-sided... And that I could see the benefits within, say... 5 to 8 years for the project completion/usage date... Not in say, 25, 30, 35, 40 years down the road. Case and point, just look at California’s “bullet train” failed project.

Sorry Seattle, the whole State has spoken and you lost this time.
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Wishful thinking since several holes were already punched into ST3 in the courts...
What, that a state-wide initiative can de-authorize locally approved and collected taxes? I doubt it. On top of that, it violates the constitutional requirement that an initiative have only a single subject (it has several). It will be thrown out. Timmy doesn't care; he's laughing all the way to the bank.
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Old 11-06-2019, 03:06 PM
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It is my understanding that Sound Transit was authorized in the first place by the state legislature. Therefore it should be possible to un-authorize by a statewide vote of the people.

Remember what happened in 1999 when I-695 was passed. It was thrown out by the court, but a panicky legislature and governor Locke passed a version of it anyway. Prior to I-695 car tabs for a decent late model vehicle were in the $1000 range. They have been creeping back up ever since.

I-976 is currently passing by a solid 55%. It also passed in Pierce and Snohomish, 2 of the ST counties. Unless the vote total drops significantly, say to around 52%, I don't think the legislature will be able to ignore it. Reps will all be up for election in 2020. I-976 is passing in 35 of 39 counties as of today (11-6).
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