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Old 10-23-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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The missing piece is cheap housing. If they could create micro apartments that are just a 3/4 bath and 100 square foot room that would be a start, if people are going to live in tents or cars than a micro apartment is better. They want poor people to leave and they won't so the solution is to find them a cheap place to live or even with a 100 sq foot room and communal baths and showers.

In LA they are spending $560K for apartments for low cost housing and it's a waste of money when the space can create 6 micro shelters for less money.
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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I think that the idea that the chronic homeless living on the street - the mentally ill and drug addicted ones- will be able to turn it around with a job is unrealistic. I mean, some of them can't even care for themselves. I suppose we could create make-work to try to help, but I don't believe that the man who is talking to himself and barefoot in the cold is going to suddenly be with it enough to hold a job that pays well enough to be self-supporting.
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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I think that the idea that the chronic homeless living on the street - the mentally ill and drug addicted ones- will be able to turn it around with a job is unrealistic. I mean, some of them can't even care for themselves. I suppose we could create make-work to try to help, but I don't believe that the man who is talking to himself and barefoot in the cold is going to suddenly be with it enough to hold a job that pays well enough to be self-supporting.
The more important question is why are there so many junkies in the US? There must be something wrong with the system and lifestyle.

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Old 10-23-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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The more important question is why are there so many junkies in the US? There must be something wrong with the system.
Excellent question. Speaking for Seattle, I suppose allowing 6 oz possession without criminal prosecution probably helps.
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:11 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Many cities have tried and somewhat succeeded with addressing Homeless.

SLC and San Antonio seem to be ahead of the game, but each have much lower housing costs than Seattle, and they did not start with a 'violent' homeless population. Seattle has some unique challenges and as they delay effective implementation the problem will multiply. (and more businesses / customers / tourists and employment will leave the downtown area). Look at some of the rust belt inner cities to see what Seattle may be destined to become.

Some more detail / dialogue, including Seattle 'Housing First' initiative (from April of this yr).
https://www.geekwire.com/2018/cities...tle-can-learn/
https://www.king5.com/article/news/l.../281-197477103
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/08...r-san-antonio/
https://www.coalitionforthehomeless....ven-solutions/
https://medium.com/@ajplus/some-plac...k-ddda1b7acd35
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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Make everybody work. Eldery, children, single moms, handicapped. Every last one of them.
...This is why this problem will never be fixed.
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Old 10-23-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Seattle has gone from being a low cost-of-living city to a very high one. I was "renovated" out of three apartments in a row, before I was able to qualify for a "senior" apartment, and that was ten years ago.

Having a place to hang your hat and stash your stuff is very important. With bathroom, kitchen, and laundry facilities. That does not need to be an "apartment", at least starting out, which is where I part with the "housing first" folks, but it needs to be more than just "shelter".
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Alamogordo, NM
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Make everybody work. Eldery, children, single moms, handicapped. Every last one of them.

homes - this is already happening. Wal*Mart greeters that are clearly retirement age are hanging on earning a paycheck. Anyone else remember when HRC tried to "overhaul" the medical system in America and was shot down in AC/DC flames? I do. Twas around 1994. Remember it as clear as a bell. The high costs of medical have me thinking of leaving the U.S. in a bit under 5 years when I plan, Lord willing and the creek don't rise, to retire.

Peru, Malta, plenty of nations around the world that expats are heading to. Will Mrs. elkotronics and I really leave the good 'ole USA? Can't tell you that right now. But I'm sincerely considering it, she not as much as I.

The medical mafia in the U.S. is out of control. So is that country club they call the dental establishment. Many crooks are seething amongst the honest dentists and ordering dental work that is not needed. Trust me - it's really happening. The payoff is too good for them to resist. I go to Mexico for dental work and it works out great. I use my insurance from work for medical care here in Alamo, but, it comes with strict attention to what we only have to have, not what medicos would like to order. The Mrs. listens to both Dave Ramsey and Clark Howard to get tips on saving money. When going to the doctor you have to be your own best advocate and call your insurance company before you go in.

I've left a doctor here in Alamogordo already who just orders up anything and everything you "need" for reasons not entirely on the level, in my opinion.

Micro houses are an interesting idea, getting powerful people in the community onboard with helping is another story. Something needs to be done and the SCC is enjoying fine wines and fine cuisine while this travesty of justice continues in Seattle, San Francisco, L.A. and you name it on the Left Coast.
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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The more important question is why are there so many junkies in the US? There must be something wrong with the system and lifestyle.
Keep in mind that junkie doesn't automatically mean homeless. In fact most junkies are simply street wanderers with available housing at their disposal. But their constant need for money to get high drives them out on the streets were they typically prey on true homeless (non-junkies) and everyone/everything else around them.

Junkies have to come into enough money to support a $1k per week addiction; they have "jobs" and go to work every day to keep high and avoid their reality. Sure the jobs are mainly theft, scamming others, and a slew of other despicable actions. But every single junkie I worked with or have personally known is hustling/working every single day, some with legit jobs for periods of time, most usually targeting the mentally unstable and disabled individuals they will meet on the street hence why people see them mixed together.

Unlike the disabled and mentally unstable they have the ability to work in some degree and have moments of clarity that allow them to act normal and make rational decisions (it is during these clear times that they go to work finding ways to support their habit). Most junkies are able to find housing or at least manipulate their personal relationships to gain housing, food, and basic needs which keeps them able to keep up their habit for as long as they want.

Of course there are some junkies that live on the streets and many homeless have substance issues (mainely in alcohol). But by far the biggest problem with our situation is that many of the individuals us non-street people view as homeless aren't homeless at all. Which is why these programs never work, they don't need work or housing. They need to get clean and stay clean which is ultimately a personal choice very few will make as many junkies have an addictive personality naturally. That can translate to them always being selfish and self absorbed even without the drugs. The only way to fix that is to demand that enablers and governments stop treating them like children and rewarding the behavior; treat them like the selfish criminals they are.
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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Housing first and then jobs. Studies show that the longer someone doesn’t work the higher the chances that they will never work again.
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