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Old 11-03-2009, 04:04 PM
 
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I agree with needing the unions to realize that times have changed and if they don't tone down their rhetoric then they are shooting themselves in the foot. SPEEA is better about it because they know that Boeing can outsource the engineering with the exception of ITAR and EAR restricted stuff. Of course, domestic companies know that outsourcing too much work is detrimental to US society and if they do it too much then nobody will be able to afford the services they provide.
If I am not mistaken SPEEA should have more bargaining power than IAM? It's not easy to find good experienced engineers but it's very easy (sorry some folks) to train a machinist.

I hope Boeing's contract talk with SPEEA will work out fine next year.
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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If I am not mistaken SPEEA should have more bargaining power than IAM? It's not easy to find good experienced engineers but it's very easy (sorry some folks) to train a machinist.

I hope Boeing's contract talk with SPEEA will work out fine next year.
It is very easy to train a CNC machine operator...not a machinist.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:07 AM
 
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What is the lowdown on Boeing as of now?
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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What is the lowdown on Boeing as of now?
As in ... ? There's three business units, Defense, Commercial, and Financing. They do roughly $60 billion a year in business. They do a TON of stuff. They also have a presence in multiple countries and states in the USA. You will have to be more specific.

The company is not in danger of going under. But times are rough, for sure. They've taken out $5 billion in long-term debt.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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Which one of you said that the biotech industry in the Puget Sound region wasn't that important? Who said that?

Study: More than 77,000 jobs tied to state's biotech industry
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:25 PM
 
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As in ... ? There's three business units, Defense, Commercial, and Financing. They do roughly $60 billion a year in business. They do a TON of stuff. They also have a presence in multiple countries and states in the USA. You will have to be more specific.

The company is not in danger of going under. But times are rough, for sure. They've taken out $5 billion in long-term debt.
When I mean lowdown, I mean will Boeing take its factories out of the Puget Sound area?
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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^Rather, it's opening a NEW factory ELSEWHERE. As in, the factories here are staying for the time being.

As for long-term, who knows. 737 replacement is due soon, and it could be made elsewhere too.
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Old 11-08-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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^Rather, it's opening a NEW factory ELSEWHERE. As in, the factories here are staying for the time being.

As for long-term, who knows. 737 replacement is due soon, and it could be made elsewhere too.
I just can't imagine Seattle without Boeing.
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:42 PM
 
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Well, start imagining.

It is not going to happen overnight, but to annoy the person who hates the phrase, I will say it again:

"THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL".

No leaders in Seattle seem to view this situation as a problem, but I think that is really just avoiding the issue. At some point, (whether it is in 10 years, or 25, Seattle metro will be without industrial production of any sort, and Boeing will be the major reason, but, I don't blame Boeing here.) The question is really about pride. Are the Boeing workers too proud to accept concessions? If that answer is yes, then they are writing their own graves. In today's world, the power, right or wrong, is not with the worker, unfortunately. It is with the corporation. Labor unions were all well and good when the U.S. ran the world both economically and technologically. Those days are gone. Get used to it.
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:53 PM
 
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Well, start imagining.

It is not going to happen overnight, but to annoy the person who hates the phrase, I will say it again:

"THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL".

No leaders in Seattle seem to view this situation as a problem, but I think that is really just avoiding the issue. At some point, (whether it is in 10 years, or 25, Seattle metro will be without industrial production of any sort, and Boeing will be the major reason, but, I don't blame Boeing here.) The question is really about pride. Are the Boeing workers too proud to accept concessions? If that answer is yes, then they are writing their own graves. In today's world, the power, right or wrong, is not with the worker, unfortunately. It is with the corporation. Labor unions were all well and good when the U.S. ran the world both economically and technologically. Those days are gone. Get used to it.
What would happen if all of the world's workers started unionizing? If that happens, manufacturers will have no way to find cheap labor.
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