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[Guineas]

Seattle now has same gun laws as the rest of Washington.

You can conceal carry in Seattle parks now. Judge found it unconstitutional for city laws to be more restrictive than WA state laws.

[SitoUK]

Originally Posted by Seattle_chris

The UK is an island. So it’s pretty easy to control the flow of contraband compared to other countries. Guns have been banned for over a decade there. Yet since banning guns, gun crimes have been on the rise. See this link from the BBC. BBC NEWS | UK | Analysis: UK gun crime figures

Not the mention they have the worlds most inclusive CCTV network. But they still have huge gang and gun violence issues. It just goes to prove that disarming the people, is NOT the way to solve crime issues. Just think of Columbine. If all the teachers had guns, how many fewer people would have been killed/hurt? Yeah, huh?

I know this is an old message but sorry, I just have to call total BS on this. Gun ownerwship in the UK has always been tightly regulated, absolutely no comparison to the situation over here. Normal police men dont even carry guns over there. But the fact is that compared to this country it is EXTREMELY low there. In fact, tight gun regulation means there are simply not as many guns around to kill and injure people with for whatever reason. A LOT of people who carry or own a gun get injured or killed with their own gun when being attacked by criminals. Heck, people even shoot themselves or their kids when cleaning these things! A society is simply much safer when there are fewer guns around. Obviously if you are a hardened criminal you'll always get hold of a firearm somehow if you really want to but here just any crackhead can pick one up in the supermarket. How can that anyone make safe? Obviously for the US this ship has sailed a long time ago and with the gun lobby and arms industry as strong as they are there is very little chance anything will happen in the future.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also from Wikipedia: In The United Kingdom there are 0.22 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, and for Germany 0.2.[2]

Have a look at the stats in this list and ask yourself why the US are that high up and why most European countries where guns are very tightly regulated are that far down the list...

[Wardendresden]

Originally Posted by SitoUK

also from Wikipedia: In The United Kingdom there are 0.22 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, and for Germany 0.2.[2]

Have a look at the stats in this list and ask yourself why the US are that high up and why most European countries where guns are very tightly regulated are that far down the list...

SitoUK, you are correct in all your figures, but not in your practical assumptions. There are an estimated one BILLION guns in the U.S. It is neither practical nor reasonable to assume those could all get collected. Half the people in the U.S. will never voluntarily surrender their weapons, so there would be anarchy everywhere if anyone tried to take them away. It highlights the ridiculous argument of many gun owners that O'bama is going to try to take away their guns. It can't happen even if he got a plurality in Congress to vote that way.

But it does mean our cowboy mentality will continue to flourish and there will be hundreds, if not thousands, of stupid, accidental deaths in the U.S., let alone intentional killings every year. It ain't gonna change, so you might as well buy a gun or head for one of those safer European nations.

I'm just glad hand grenades are illegal!!!!

[SitoUK]

Originally Posted by Wardendresden

SitoUK, you are correct in all your figures, but not in your practical assumptions. There are an estimated one BILLION guns in the U.S. It is neither practical nor reasonable to assume those could all get collected.

Oh, I am totally aware that it's not feasible to take all these guns away form their owners but that doesn't mean having all these guns around is a good thing as many people in this country seem to think...fewer guns means fewer people killed by guns, it's as easy as that.

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by SitoUK

Oh, I am totally aware that it's not feasible to take all these guns away form their owners but that doesn't mean having all these guns around is a good thing as many people in this country seem to think...fewer guns means fewer people killed by guns, it's as easy as that.

Actually, it is the opposite. Seattle has more lenient gun laws than most cities in America, and, of course, it has less violent crime than many other cities.

In a society that outlaws guns, only outlaws have guns. It is we law abiding citizens who suffer.

All the arguments in favor of gun control are destroyed by this VERY BORING book...and you know it's honest because it IS SO BORING. Just facts, figures, no sensationalism, no tabloid talking points. Just a professor of criminology using stats and facts to prove the right to bear arms is a good idea:

More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of the things I like about Washington is that so many people are like me on this issue: far to the left on just about everything else EXCEPT the right to bear arms. I met a couple of "stereotypical" Prius driving liberal gay men at a wine tasting not to long ago and where did they meet? THE SHOOTING RANGE!

Yep, Seattle Washington. Left of center...right on target

[SitoUK]

Originally Posted by victorianpunk

Actually, it is the opposite. Seattle has more lenient gun laws than most cities in America, and, of course, it has less violent crime than many other cities.

In a society that outlaws guns, only outlaws have guns. It is we law abiding citizens who suffer.

All the arguments in favor of gun control are destroyed by this VERY BORING book...and you know it's honest because it IS SO BORING. Just facts, figures, no sensationalism, no tabloid talking points. Just a professor of criminology using stats and facts to prove the right to bear arms is a good idea:

More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of the things I like about Washington is that so many people are like me on this issue: far to the left on just about everything else EXCEPT the right to bear arms. I met a couple of "stereotypical" Prius driving liberal gay men at a wine tasting not to long ago and where did they meet? THE SHOOTING RANGE!

Yep, Seattle Washington. Left of center...right on target

So how do you explain that in all these countries that have super-tight gun-laws the homicide and death-by-gun rates are much lower than in the US?

To isolate Seattle within the US and look at the stats is obviously statistically extremely dubious. This might as well have to do with the high levels of education and relative wealth around here rather than the gun-laws. If all these Amzonians and Microsofties loose their jobs tomorrow they might shoot each other in the street....

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by JustCallMeTC

Any chance you'll change your mind? It's not like we actually need more guns around here.

Yeah, because a law abiding citizen who is careful enough to inquire about the laws before moving is a big threat

They'll be a couple more guns entering the city when I move up in the spring. Unless you dress up like a deer and run around the woods in hunting season you're probably safe.

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by SitoUK

So how do you explain that in all these countries that have super-tight gun-laws the homicide and death-by-gun rates are much lower than in the US?

Notice what you said: different countries. They have different cultures, demographics, economies etc.

Czech Republic has almost American style gun laws, and yet their crime rate is nowhere near as bad as Ukraine, that has strict gun laws.

To isolate Seattle within the US and look at the stats is obviously statistically extremely dubious. This might as well have to do with the high levels of education and relative wealth around here rather than the gun-laws. If all these Amzonians and Microsofties loose their jobs tomorrow they might shoot each other in the street....

At the same time, Wast Virginia, one of the poorer states in the US, have lax gun laws and no one is shooting each other in the streets left and right.

Criminals are going to get guns, no matter what the law says. The law only hurts us who don't want to break it when we can't own a gun for self defense and/or sport.

Oh, and hands and fists can also be used as weapons. I have yet to hear one single solitary gun-grabber suggest that we regulate kung fu or Brazilian Jujitsu classes, even though they can also make someone as deadly as a firearm:

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

Yeah, because a law abiding citizen who is careful enough to inquire about the laws before moving is a big threat

Exactly! It's not the people who CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS that you have to worry about, but the criminals who don't.

They'll be a couple more guns entering the city when I move up in the spring. Unless you dress up like a deer and run around the woods in hunting season you're probably safe.

We have a lot of mule deer on the Peninsula and the hunting is hot. That, and it is still Salmon season to if you like to fish...I've been to busy with work myself to do any of that this year.

[hamellr]

Originally Posted by victorianpunk

Criminals are going to get guns, no matter what the law says. The law only hurts us who don't want to break it when we can't own a gun for self defense and/or sport.

You can build a gun for about $10 worth of parts from Home Depot these days. Not the most reliable or useful thing, but home made guns have been popping up at crime scenes recently.