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- Cut way back on legal immigration
- Set a minimum age for pregnancy medicaid or whatever it's called
- Have a big public awareness campaign in schools and media, especially in areas with lots of hispanic people
Oops, did I click on the Arizona board by mistake?
To movingwiththewind: What an immature response from you. It is uncalled for. Seriously, how old are you? Your responses sometimes make you sound like your below age 15. Im going to ignore your posts too. If you read my most recent post , you know I would have been right and proved you wrong, which is why you didnt read the post.
Honestly, at this point, Im not surprised you had such a delusional view of Seattle. You seem to be someone who is very immature, and "unfocused" if that makes sense.
Hahaha saying Seattle is only "houses and freeways." That gave me a good laugh when I first read your post. Its definitely ok if someone does not like Seattle, but your thread from the very beginning come off as someone who knows nothing about Seattle and someone who doesnt know how to make judgments about their surroundings.
In a way, I hope you continue to be delusional about Seattle and not like it, so you dont move here
I just can't take you seriously anymore.
Listen, NUB, is there any way we could have a constructive conversation on this forum? I understand that we have different opinions on some topics (or maybe even on everything), but maybe it's the time to learn to respect other people's opinions?
And what are all these endless DMs about? Why do you continue to DM me with the same crap you posing here, on CD forum? You wanna make sure I'll get your message one way or another?
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Yeah, I remember the Aurora bus dive. Thankfully not too many people died. Crazy people is like a theme in this town, over the years. How about that guy in the International District that violently stabbed some person to death, just out of nowhere? Can't remember when that was, fairly early in my time there, or slightly before. You don't have to feel too sorry for the crazy people being blown away by the PD or armed citizens, because history has shown that they are in fact dangerous. Hmm, the Unibomber hit Washington U. once too, and more recently there were some shootings there over something or other.
Yeah, I remember the Aurora bus dive. Thankfully not too many people died. Crazy people is like a theme in this town, over the years. How about that guy in the International District that violently stabbed some person to death, just out of nowhere? Can't remember when that was, fairly early in my time there, or slightly before. You don't have to feel too sorry for the crazy people being blown away by the PD or armed citizens, because history has shown that they are in fact dangerous. Hmm, the Unibomber hit Washington U. once too, and more recently there were some shootings there over something or other.
Do you mean the University of Washington? About four or five years ago a program assistant was murdered by her estranged boyfriend, and during the summer quarter of either 89 or 90 another woman was shot to death in the parking lot outside of Balmer Hall by a ex that was stalking her. The killer also shot a male friend of hers if I remember correctly. I was actually on campus during both events. Kind of scary. The 89/90 murder was committed by a guy that didn't live in the area though.
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To movewiththewind: I cant take you seriously niether. Most of your posts make you come across as very "unfocused," making inappropriate jokes, and things like that. I have much more constructive conversations in the city-data forums than you do . And I did respect other peoples opinions a lot of the time but some of the things you say is just an absolute joke.
To movewiththewind: I cant take you seriously niether. Most of your posts make you come across as very "unfocused," making inappropriate jokes, and things like that. I have much more constructive conversations in the city-data forums than you do . And I did respect other peoples opinions a lot of the time but some of the things you say is just an absolute joke.
Seattle's downtown was, for a long time, moving the way that a lot of other American cities were going. Living in NYC, I can see how you wouldn't have seen it. You know, outside of NYC, from 1950 - 1990, families were moving out of downtown areas and city limits. The motivation was mixed - bigger homes, fewer minorities, more opportunity, etc. They abandoned the highrise lifestyle for larger homes, cars, etc. It was the American dream for a looong time. Seattle kinda sorta avoided that in a few neighborhoods (Ballard, Wallingford, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, Magnolia), but a lot of other neighborhoods were stagnating. Downtown was an area filled with druggies, salty fishermen, and blue collar type of places where people worked, then went home to places in either the aforementioned neighborhoods, or to the suburbs which were bedroom communities until Microsoft came around.
Since the 1990s, more and more families and younger, up and coming couples have been moving back into the cities across America.
I saw the movie Blues Brothers, which to a Chicago native is sorta a throwback type of thing, just like Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Anyway, it shocked me how dirty, abandoned, and desolate looking downtown looked in the early 80s. Nowadays, it's much more bustling, and many many people have moved back downtown. It's really come around.
Seattle suffered a similar decline but is starting to move back up.
Vancouver is a unique situation because their government made a conscious effort to make the downtown areas more family friendly and more accommodating to people wanting to live in a high density area by taxing companies out the wazoo and forcing a lot of them out. They've been doing this for about 20 years now, and interestingly, so has Seattle. Seattle went the private route with families and "the market" determining what should be done. Vancouver took the government subsidy and taxation route to make the inner city infrastructure better for people to live in. It's obvious who was more successful, but in my opinion, it is not the norm, and probably won't for a while. Give it maybe another 20 more years, and Seattle likely will be similar through market forces, and in my opinion, probably a lot more affordable than trying to live in Vancouver's downtown area.
Not trying to prove a point here or anything ... just giving a little different perspective, for what it's worth.
Anyway, a lot of bums move here because of the Tent Cities and the free accommodations and social services, combined with a mild climate. Many go down south to California for the winter.
In reality the number of homeless in Seattle has gone down ... even during the recession. Its weird ... but there is still a lot around downtown and some of the other city neighborhoods.
A very interesting post.
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In Holland, young adults are paid to go to college, and get free rail passes so they can get there. That's hard Socialism. Their taxes are correspondingly high.
Holland hard Socialism? Netherlands, Germany, France and other EU countries are capitalist countries. Some more generous than in the US government social programs don't make those countries much more socialist than the US. Nothing is free there, you menioned high taxes yourself. I was a student in Germany, and I know for many students who don't have a lot of money from their parents and who have to study and work it's not an easy life. Just like in the US. Of course, lower on almost no tuition fees in some of the countries helps a lot. I don't think it's appropriate to call EU countries socialist. Neither US nor EU countries are neither pure capitalist nor pure socialist countries. They are all mixed market economies. However, both EU countres and Canada are (much) less conservative than the US.
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As you noted, Vancouver's got a perfectly violent part of its downtown as well. Much more violent than any part of downtown Seattle, from what I've heard.
This is just what you heard. Go and see it with your own eyes. Downtown Eastside is not a violent place. l could easily walk there at night. In fact, a friend of mine from Montana (my former co-worker from NYC) just visited me in Vancouver, and I went with him through the area. It's not violent at all. But yes, it's very sad to see all those abandoned people right next to one of the most touristy areas in the downtown Vancouver. However, if I were walking through a similar area in, say, NYC or SF, I'd probably be a little concerned.
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The homeless thing is an issue for all cities up and down the west coast, especially S.F.,Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver. It's the downside of having mild weather and the overall tolerance of the population to put up with it. I don't like it but it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the city. The subway stinks to high heaven in NYC, especially in the summer, but I would never say it stopped me from using it or ruined my impression of the city.
I agree. From the point of view of a visitor.
You see, previously, every time I was in Seattle AS A VISITOR, I didn't care about homeless and other negative things about Seattle. I stayed with my friends, went with them fishing, hiking and overall just having good time. It's when I started to explore Seattle for the purpose of moving there that I started to see things I didn't see or paid attention to before.
Of course as a visitor to NYC you don't care riding the subway on your way to visit all those touristy areas NYC offers. Now, imagine taking this urine stinky overcrowded subway twice a day, everyday, changing trains on your way to work and back home during peak hours. How would you feel now? Still like the idea? You think you'd enjoy it?
Now, this is just one example, but I hope you get the idea of what I mean. It's when I started to spend time in Seattle not as a visitor that I started to see things as they are and started to think that this and this and this will probably be the pain in the ass when we move.
And believe me thousand of "little" things like stinky overcrowded subways, summer temperatures of 90 and over degrees with high humidity, lack of nature and other similar "little" annoyances can indeed ruin the impression of a city if you have to live through these things everyday as a resident.
I don't understand why the surprise, but politically speaking: I'm Conservative.
Is there any Seattle act on the National stage right now? I would like to support it.
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I agree. From the point of view of a visitor.
You see, previously, every time I was in Seattle AS A VISITOR, I didn't care about homeless and other negative things about Seattle. I stayed with my friends, went with them fishing, hiking and overall just having good time. It's when I started to explore Seattle for the purpose of moving there that I started to see things I didn't see or paid attention to before.
Of course as a visitor to NYC you don't care riding the subway on your way to visit all those touristy areas NYC offers. Now, imagine taking this urine stinky overcrowded subway twice a day, everyday, changing trains on your way to work and back home during peak hours. How would you feel now? Still like the idea? You think you'd enjoy it?
Now, this is just one example, but I hope you get the idea of what I mean. It's when I started to spend time in Seattle not as a visitor that I started to see things as they are and started to think that this and this and this will probably be the pain in the ass when we move.
And believe me thousand of "little" things like stinky overcrowded subways, summer temperatures of 90 and over degrees with high humidity, lack of nature and other similar "little" annoyances can indeed ruin the impression of a city if you have to live through these things everyday as a resident.
I never said I or anyone else would "enjoy" the smell of urine on a subway, but you have to choose your battles and weigh the pros and cons. If for example, you love the fast pace excitement of NY, the culture, the fashion, the museums etc..etc.. or basically you just all around love New York-you would put up with your stinky commute on the subway because well, there's just so much else that makes you love the city. It's the same here. If you live in a great neighborhood, love the parks your next to, have a beautiful view etc etc. and just all around enjoy Seattle, the times you have to say "sorry no change" to a homeless person or witness a brawl or whatever it won't make you reevaluate why you live here. I mean, after all these are cities were talking about- it's sort of the nature of the beast. Is it not? Now, if you have a list of things you're completely over about NY, then that's another thing all together. Your stinking subway ride will then become just another reason you want to leave the city.
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